Re: Truth at all costs (was RE: virus: from the Skeptic's newsletter...)

Craig Dolan-Betney (Craig@seedy-bee.freeserve.co.uk)
Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:05:58 +0000

Would it not be better to say that truth is a(n imaginary) perfect representation of reality that we constantly seek to establish through modification of our approximation of reality (our meme set or reality map)

Craig

Eva-Lise Carlstrom wrote:

> To elaborate on Richard's remark:
> Truth is representation of reality, statements about reality. For
> example, the phenomenon of gravity is part of reality. The law of gravity
> is not part of reality (except in the sense that it exists as a meme); it
> is a part of our approximation of truth, part of our knowledge about
> reality.
>
> --Eva
>
> On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Richard Brodie wrote:
>
> > No, truth is NOT reality. If it were, there would be no point in searching
> > for it. You don't have to search for reality. It's right there all the time.
> >
> > Truth is information. Memes.
> >
> > Richard Brodie richard@brodietech.com http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/
> > Author, "Virus of the Mind: The New Science of the Meme"
> > http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/votm.htm
> > Free newsletter! Visit Meme Central at
> > http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/meme.htm
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
> > Of sodom
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 1999 11:52 AM
> > To: 'virus@lucifer.com'
> > Subject: RE: Truth at all costs (was RE: virus: from the Skeptic's
> > newsletter...)
> >
> >
> > Truth is reality - To say I am searching for truth is putting the cart
> > ahead of the mule as any truth I look for has me incorporated into it. I
> > don't search for truth - I look at the evidence and choose based upon the
> > odds. When the odds are extreme I accept this information as "truth" until
> > there is evidence to the contrary. I am not disappointed when I am wrong -
> > being wrong is an excellent opportunity to improve. I am happy to be right,
> > if right was earned from my labors. If I am right by guessing or default -
> > I am usually upset - this drives my ego to understand WHY I was right.
> >
> > I suppose from my perspective - there is a cost associated with not looking
> > for "truth" - finding truth is just a matter of decision.
> >
> > Bill Roh
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Boyd [SMTP:6ceb3@qlink.queensu.ca]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 1:14 PM
> > To: virus@lucifer.com
> > Subject: Re: Truth at all costs (was RE: virus: from the Skeptic's
> > newsletter...)
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > From: sodom <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>:
> > >Truth has no cost
> >
> >
> > Truth has no cost? Could you elaborate? I've always thought that
> > truth had a pretty big cost (e.g. the purpose of a proof is to
> > *compel* belief; the capital t Truth *forces* the issue)
> >
> > ERiC
> >