RE: RE: Truth at all costs (was RE: virus: from the Skeptic's newsletter...)

Richard Brodie (richard@brodietech.com)
Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:46:45 -0800

I don't think you fully get the Zen you're quoting. Not only is the map not the territory, but no map can ever be the territory.

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf Of joe dees
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 1999 7:56 PM
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re:RE: Truth at all costs (was RE: virus: from the Skeptic's newsletter...)

At Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:45:17 -0800, you wrote:
>
>No, truth is NOT reality. If it were, there would be no point in searching
>for it. You don't have to search for reality. It's right there all the
time.
>
>Truth is information. Memes.

If reality is a territory, truth is an accurate map. The map is not the territory (and truth is not reality), but there is an "aboutness" about both truths and maps. If it doesn't "faithfully" (hehe) represent and refer to the territory, it ain't its map, and likewise woth truth and reality.

>Richard Brodie richard@brodietech.com http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/
>Author, "Virus of the Mind: The New Science of the Meme"
>http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/votm.htm
>Free newsletter! Visit Meme Central at
>http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/meme.htm
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
>Of sodom
>Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 1999 11:52 AM
>To: 'virus@lucifer.com'
>Subject: RE: Truth at all costs (was RE: virus: from the Skeptic's
>newsletter..)
>
>
>Truth is reality - To say I am searching for truth is putting the cart
>ahead of the mule as any truth I look for has me incorporated into it. I
>don't search for truth - I look at the evidence and choose based upon the
>odds. When the odds are extreme I accept this information as "truth" until
>there is evidence to the contrary. I am not disappointed when I am wrong -
>being wrong is an excellent opportunity to improve. I am happy to be right,
>if right was earned from my labors. If I am right by guessing or default -
>I am usually upset - this drives my ego to understand WHY I was right.
>
>I suppose from my perspective - there is a cost associated with not looking
>for "truth" - finding truth is just a matter of decision.
>
>Bill Roh
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Boyd [SMTP:6ceb3@qlink.queensu.ca]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 1:14 PM
>To: virus@lucifer.com
>Subject: Re: Truth at all costs (was RE: virus: from the Skeptic's
>newsletter..)
>
>Hi,
>
>From: sodom <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>:
>>Truth has no cost
>
>
>Truth has no cost? Could you elaborate? I've always thought that
>truth had a pretty big cost (e.g. the purpose of a proof is to
>*compel* belief; the capital t Truth *forces* the issue)
>
>ERiC
>
>
>
>
Joe E. Dees
Poet, Pagan, Philosopher



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