Re: virus: Levels

MemeLab@aol.com
Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:29:16 EST

In a message dated 2/16/99 3:42:33 PM Central Standard Time, richard@brodietech.com writes:

<<First of all I want you to know that I like you. I appreciate your willingness to show yourself honestly in front of the group. Thank you.

Now a poke at you.

How many minutes does your philosophy of rational criticism allow you to consider something before deciding that it is worthless? >>

Oh man. Well, I guess if I dish it out, I gotta take the dishing back. Seriously though, I think you take my "arrogance" for more than it is worth. I imagine you have me painted as some really dogmatic logic nazi. If it makes you more comfortable in dealing with me, so be it, I can't whine or say that I discouraged it.

"Arrogance" is for my growing annoyance at too much intellectual PC behavior: where everybody gets to have "their own truths" and "their own realities"; any assertions are considered equal to any other assertions; and any attempt to rationally criticize somebody else's idea is seen as an act of oppression and unenlightenment.

And while I am very interested in "memes" and any future "memetics" that may develop, I have sensed that some fascinated with this metaphor are more interested in the spread of ideas, and in spreading their own ideas, than they are in assessing these ideas for real meaning and the actual value of these meanings. And while <tolerance> is a healthy thing to cultivate in moderation, and it certainly does have a tendency to lubricate the spread of ideas, something that I know fascinates the readership here, there is a point where it becomes unhealthy especially when valued more than rational thought.

>> If it's not limited to a few then I would encourage you to chew on what
Reed said for a week or so and see if you can make some sense of it.<<

Despite the impairments that rationality has imposed on my thinking processes, and the enlightenment that I lack due to its crippling effects, I can still intutively grasp at what Reed has said. I don't think that it will take me a week. Even in my mentally impaired - oops I mean challenged - state, I think I vaguely understood it in the first read, and the light started to shine dimly on the 25th read. That took a while, since I have to say the words out loud slowly.

In short, I think Reed has painted the same "logic nazi" picture of me that you have, complete with vivid imaginings about my supposed authoritarian pecking-order anxieties - where I sit around and anguish about whether I am indeed THE Ueber Mensch, or just the Ueber Mensch's used condom.

Now aside from these vivid images which I am sure are infecting your thoughts about me as we speak (sorry you will have to find your own vaccine for this intellectually transmitted disease - I got so absorbed in the tolerant lubrication, that I failed to consider a cure) - Reed also has some misconceptions about what I mean when I say words like "rational criticism", and "justfication", and until he sorts these things out there will be no reprieve from these logic nazi images that he has conjured up in his mind to represent me in his fantasies.

I have liberally disseminated the following two links which mirror some of my own thoughts on these -

Non- Rationalism</A>
http://www.law.mita.keio.ac.jp/~sehagi/kogawara3.html

and

Pancritical Rationalism http://www.extropy.org/pcr.htm

Though those certainly aren't my complete thoughts on the matter, they do make a good introduction.

Honestly though, I did find it amusing how Reed managed to depict truth and rationality as such horrible, oppressive forces. That jumped out at me on my first 10 word per minute read of his message.

Just for you, Brodie, I will read Reed's most insightful post again. But I would suggest that Reed give my stuff more than the cursory few minutes that I stand accused of here. While I have my anxieties like any other human being, his anxiety map of Jake is nothing like the territory that it purports to describe. No representation can be expected to be perfect, but this map is of an entirely different place. He has confused some "arrogant" cloud cover, with the actual terrain that lies below.

-Jake