>But I'm also amazed that you can claim that workshops are more like seeing
>than doing, however.
Well, there are workshops, and there are workshops. I still don't know the full story- I still don't know what they present as _experience_, what they burn you with. But, yes, I am firmly in the camp of knowledge requires experience, and so far, a workshop is a _workshop_ experience, and _can_ certainly be _only_ that, and can even, with some extension of the culture (I'm thinking Mary Kay here) be _claimed_ to work outside.
But until you've wielded the ax, the tree stands.
but of human obligation." - John Fowles
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