Re: virus: Propaganda and Travel

Tim Rhodes (proftim@speakeasy.org)
Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:21:23 -0700

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Bill wrote:

>>I wonder what meme it is that has Clinton continually saying "no = ground
>>troops". I can understand screwing around, but why this policy? Of = what
>>benefit is eliminating this option so publicly?

Jim wrote:
>Bill (Clintin) keeps saying no ground troops so that he may remain = popular.
>When the time arises. The U.N. will force him into it so he has an out = and
>will again remain popular( he did not break his promise the other = countries
>made him).

Er,... you both seem to be overlooking a little thing called NATO, = boys. (Made up of 19 countries, not just one.)

First, understand that there was little or no support for ground troops =
here in the U.S. until about a week and a half ago.  (Check the polling =
data from the end of March/beginning of April.)  It might seem like you =
always thought it was a good idea to send in ground troop to "stop the = atrocities", but if you think back to about a month ago, to the days = before they started _covering_ (key word) those atrocities in all the = mainstream media, you might find that your opinion was much different at = the time.

Did you support the idea of "sending in the troops" during the peace = talks at Rambouillet? Were you even aware of what was going on in = Kosovo back then? Or even what a "Rambouillet" or a "KLA" was? And if = you'd never seen the tragic (and damn good TV, ratings-wise) footage of = the refugees on the nightly news, would you still have the opinion you = have now?=20

The other 18 countries in NATO are still not of one mind on the issue = and have yet to express support for the idea. This is no small point. = By far, a lot more Germans, Swedes, Brits, Francs, etc. are going to = comprise those ground troops than American solders. If they're the ones = that get to die in the fighting we kinda need a consensus in _their_ = bodies politic, not just ours, don't ya' think?

Yes, we're the big kid on the block and our vote is worth a lot more = than 1/19 in NATO. But if were going to ask the Europeans to do the = dirty work on the ground we should probably wait until their respective = media-mind-control-machines shape the minds of the kids who are going to = do the dying. Just because the American media is so much better at = creating opinion here, don't expect everyone else to get programmed at = the same rate as you!

-Prof. Tim

BTW, the father of a friend of mine is World Vision's associate director =

for public policy and was a human rights observer in Serbia and Kosovo =
in 1996 and `98.  He's been in Washington D.C. calling for U.S. action =
in Kosovo for a while now.  I suspect his irony at how many people can =
fit on one bandwagon after you point the TV cameras must be overwhelming = right now. Where were all these people last winter?!?

Part of his travel diary from Sept `98 is at: http://www.worldvision.org/worldvision/pr.nsf/217a1c6d85845c0085256475000= cc4b9/1152e508352a8f148825668e007b942d?OpenDocument#_3vs_ (yes, that whole blessed thing is the URL--someone needs to have a talk = with their web designer about that!)?

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Bill wrote:
 
>>I wonder what meme it is that has Clinton continually = saying=20 "no ground
>>troops". I can understand screwing = around, but=20 why this policy? Of what
>>benefit is eliminating this option = so=20 publicly?
 
Jim wrote:
>Bill (Clintin) keeps saying no ground troops so that he may = remain=20 popular.
>When the time arises. The U.N. will force him into it so he has = an out=20 and
>will again remain popular( he did not break his promise the = other=20 countries
>made him).
 
Er,...  you both seem to be overlooking a little thing called = NATO,=20 boys. (Made up of 19 countries, not just one.)
 
First, understand that there was little or no support for ground = troops=20 here in the U.S. until about a week and a half ago.  (Check the = polling=20 data from the end of March/beginning of April.)  It might seem like = you=20 always thought it was a good idea to send in ground troop to "stop = the=20 atrocities", but if you think back to about a month ago, to the = days before=20 they started _covering_ (key word) those atrocities in all the = mainstream media,=20 you might find that your opinion was much different at the time.
 
Did you support the idea of "sending in the troops" = during the=20 peace talks at Rambouillet?  Were you even aware of what was going = on in=20 Kosovo back then?  Or even what a "Rambouillet" or a=20 "KLA" was?  And if you'd never seen the tragic (and damn = good TV,=20 ratings-wise) footage of the refugees on the nightly news, would you = still have=20 the opinion you have now?
 
The other 18 countries in NATO are still not of one mind on the = issue and=20 have yet to express support for the idea.  This is no small = point.  By=20 far, a lot more Germans, Swedes, Brits, Francs, etc. are going to = comprise those=20 ground troops than American solders.  If they're the ones that get = to die=20 in the fighting we kinda need a consensus in _their_ bodies politic, not = just=20 ours, don't ya' think?
 
Yes, we're the big kid on the block and our vote is worth a lot = more than=20 1/19 in NATO.  But if were going to ask the Europeans to do the = dirty work=20 on the ground we should probably wait until their respective=20 media-mind-control-machines shape the minds of the kids who are going to = do the=20 dying.  Just because the American media is so much better at = creating=20 opinion here, don't expect everyone else to get programmed at the same = rate as=20 you!
 
-Prof. Tim
 
BTW, the father of a friend of mine is World Vision's associate = director=20 for public policy and was a human rights observer in Serbia and Kosovo = in 1996=20 and `98.  He's been in Washington D.C. calling for U.S. action in = Kosovo=20 for a while now.  I suspect his irony at how many people can fit on = one=20 bandwagon after you point the TV cameras must be overwhelming right = now. =20 Where were all these people last winter?!?
 
Part of his travel diary from Sept `98 is at:
http:/= /www.worldvision.org/worldvision/pr.nsf/217a1c6d85845c0085256475000cc4b9/= 1152e508352a8f148825668e007b942d?OpenDocument#_3vs_
(yes, that whole blessed thing is the URL--someone needs to have a = talk=20 with their web designer about that!)‹
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