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Snow Leopard wrote:
"No, he died because he disobeyed God"
WOW! LORDY!?!? This is just more proof that Yahweh had no sense of proportion.
We dont hang people anymore for horse-theft. We dont stone adulterers and homosexuals to death. We dont cut hands off for stealing, or heads for cheating. And we dont make a habit of smacking our kids around as in the past. But anywhere where that demon Yahweh is they still are oppressing, maiming, and killing people for the sake of holiness.
Our culture has in it's laws a sense of proportion and relativity. That can't be found where Yahweh or Allah are the highest lawgivers. Where they are the only context to put thought and experience into.
(YUCK!..... Untie me please!)
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One of the great things about being part of a collective is that we don't have to individually read all threads, but all threads will be read. We haven't formulated an answer yet.
A small side remark, now onto more important matters.
If you would so kindly recall, in the beginning, we weren't looking for a
fight. "A message from a newcomer" was started by the Snow Leopard
collective, and in the very first message, we used Christianity /for/ the
list, not against
The reference meant an entity with a spirit, a soul, and sometimes a body.
Genesis 38 or 39 (I can't remember which and my Bible isn't handy, sorry):
That big, mean, God of the Old Testament destroyed a man for spillin' his seed? That's really harsh, barbaric, &c.
No, he died because he disobeyed God. God told him, "Have some kids with that woman that was married to your brother before he died." Oman didn't like God's taste, and used the only method known to man that is less effective than the rhythm method. Hermit, you said that some of the things that God did were worse than anything we'd do to rats? If you were running a rat genetics experiment, or breeding them to a specific end, and one of the males just wouldn't breed, you'd probably get rid of him too, if only to save food.
Now, I stated very poorly that if I left a statement unchallenged, everyone would assume it true. Allow me to put it another way: I say anything you know is incorrect, I expect you to correct me. I want to learn. If I think I can teach you something, I'm not going to leave you to wallow in your ignorance of whatever. Please note; that's ignorance, I did not make any statement but to say that a few of you may be lacking in a few facts about a few things. For example, here's one I've been meaning to say. The reference to a bat being a bird. Well, I'm ignorant of Hebrew in its entirety, I know enough about it to guess that, there was no direct translation. The readers in the day it was written did not assume that a bat had a beak, cold blood and eggs that are hatched. Neither did the writer (or the God who inspired it.) Whereas, some Middle Ages Mack, with a degree in monk-ology might call the Greek word for the Hebrew word for "flying creature," a bird. The same holds true for Abraham's "brother" Lot. In closing this particular topic for the day, I'd like to point out one that sticks out in my mind.
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