virus: FW: Superstitions

Luree Dell-Bryan (
Tue, 7 Nov 95 10:14 PST

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>From: Luree Dell-Bryan
>Subject: Re: FW: Superstitions
>Date: Tuesday, October 31, 1995 2:39PM

Dear Church of Virus: Fern Jeremiah is back - perhaps someone else would
prefer to reply. David and I seem to have exhausted the topic.

Fern says:
>>Finally, I have one last question: Why do you seem to be attacking only
>>Christ? This seems awefully biased....

Luree says:>>
>I have used several different resources for the superstitions. Some were
>contributed by readers.

Fern says:
>>> The Catholics in particularly did create a lot of STUPORstitions! But,
>in some cases they were inherant to an uneducated church. as for Non
>Messianic Religions, well, I would have to say many of the superstitions
>are in a sense to explain the unknown! But, not to be critical, science has
>also contributed many supertitions which it later repeals itself.
>Generations can go by without anyone knowing the percieved truth.

Luree says:
>I am not attacking Christ. All religions are sexist and repressive. They
>all have contributed to wars, tortures, scientific repression and numerous
>other ideas that have hindered the progress of mankind. The Muslim
>is particularly cruel to women, even though the original doctrine was to
>protect women's rights.

Fern says:
>>> In a sense I agree with you! Religion (primarily the traditions held by
>so many of the religious) have contributed to inhumane acts! Even
>"Christians"! Remember people will always make mistakes...

Luree says:
>I am not saying that religion is unimportant - in fact quite the opposite.
>It has been a most destructive force. It is the cause of many wars,
>genocide, and tortures. The ridiculous cruelty of Genesis 3:16 has been
>used as an excuse to keep women repressed for years. The 'Mark of Cain'
>been intrepreted as meaning dark skin by many religions and has been used
>an excuse for prejudice against colored people. All major religions have
>fought, tooth and nail, to keep their followers from doing any scientific
>inquiry. Blind faith is what they want because once people start
>things, then the religious leaders lose some of their influence.

Fern says:>
>>> I wouldn't call this redicullous cruelty. God made it plain to Adam and
>Eve that they were not to eat from ONE tree, only one out of an abundance
>of trees. They had plenty. If you look in Genisis 2, God provided trees
>that were "pleasing to the eye and good for food". Adam and Eve were given
>the grandest oportunity, and God laid down the law, God could not repeal
>his law, because He is just. It wasn't as if they didn't have plenty to eat
>and plenty to enjoy. By the same token a person can rob a bank, but he/she
>must pay for it...? At least in American law...? Some countries deal worse
>disciplinary actions than the States, to my knowledge. The main point I
>would like to bring out, is that in His love and compassion, God has
>provided a way out, and that is in Christ! He went through the pain of
>losing a son, and watching him suffer, just to bring about peace to those
>who would believe! I encourage you to read the following passage, Ezekiel
>18:25-32 (NIV):
> "Yet you say,'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear, O house of Israel:
>Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust?
> If a righteous manturns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will
>die for it; because of the sin he has commited he will die.
> But what if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has commited
>and does what is just and right, he will save his life.
> Because he considers all the offenses he has commited and turns away from
>them, he will surely live; he will not die.
> Yet the house of Israel says,'The way of the Lord is not just.' Are my
>ways unjust, O house of Israel? is it not your ways that are unjust?
> "Therefore, O house of Israel, I will judge you, each one according to
>his ways, declares the Sovereign lord. Repent!
> Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your down fall.
>Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have commited,
> and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of
>israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the
> Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!"

Luree says:
>Homosexuality has been condemned by so many churches, using Corinthians as
>the biblical excuse. However, if people would read scientific research
>available in their public library, instead of narrow-mindedly limiting
>reading to the bible, they would find out that homosexuality has a genetic
>origin. People can no more choose their sexuality than they can choose
>their eye color. I hope that the next generation will replace ignorance
>superstition with tolerance and understanding. I also hope that my Web
>Pages inspire people to question their religion before they start to
>contribute their hard-earned money to it.

Fern says:>
>>> In truth, this topic is still hotly debated amongst scientists! I will
not tell you your business, but, if
>God uses his Word to condemn Sexual Immorality, then I assure you he did
>not instill a mixed sexual genetic code! I encourage you to read the story
>of Sodom and Gomorah, and many many others! I would also like to tell you
>that I have seen and I know ex-homosexuals who have been freed of such a
>distressing heartbreaking way of life! I can certainly say without a doubt,
>because of there own words that the change in there lives is more
>wonderfull than there life has ever been! So whether or not it is genetic,
>Christ can heal the sickness and create a new heart!

Luree says:
>All religions, even Christianity, have a cruel and bloody god to scare
>followers into being good, rather than having people be good for humanity's
>sake. You can only expect violence and cruelty from followers of a god who
>let his son suffer a terrible death. Considering that this god had all the
>resources of the universe with which to impress people, it seems
>cruel that he would allow such suffering. However, the crucifiction theme
>is predominent in many ancient and barbaric religions which were the
>precursors for Christianity.

Fern says:
>>> If you study the whole bible you will find hundreds of prophesies of
>Christ! I have studied many religions and all that I have read in ways try
>to parallel the God of the Bible, but are definatly younger! Matthew
>26:52-54 (NIV) says:
> "'Put your sword back in it's place,' Jesus said to him,'for all who draw
>the sword will die by the sword. Do you think I cannot call on
> my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal twelve legions of
>angels? But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it
> must happen in this way?'"
>If we read the Gospels as they are written then we find that Jesus came by
>his own choice because he loves us to much to see us perish!

Luree says:
>I can't help but believe that people would be better off following laws of
>common sense, rather than imposing their religious morality on others. So
>many people are willing to kill for the sake of their religion, that it
>seems that religion is in total opposition to the healthy survival of
>mankind. I try to live my life according to the statements listed on the
>page in my signature. That is what I believe. I am an Humanist.

Fern says:
>Read the above Scripture which tells about Jesus's policy of living by the
>sword! It is God who lays down the law and not religion! It is also God who
>heals and transforms lives both mentally, physically, emotionally and
> In His Majesties Service,
> -JDF-