RE: Re(4): virus: Forwarding: some comments about the concept
Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:27:42 -0500

>From: David McFadzean[]
>Sent: Saturday, January 06, 1996 1:48 PM
>Subject: Re: Re(4): virus: Forwarding: some comments about the concept
>I was working under the assumption that memes cause our behavior in the
>same or similar way that computer programs (being patterns of information
>in memory) cause computers to behave. Of course the causality gets
>extremely complex when it is an interactive application which causes
>the human user to enter data or click the mouse in such a way as to
>control the program. In this case the user and the program are controlling
>each other; together they form a recurrent complex dynamic system. My
>claim is that both the computer and human are recurrent complex
>dynamic systems by themselves, though the human is more complex by
>several orders of magnitude. Is this making any sense?

could you detail precisely in what way you view the computer and its
functions as a "recurrent complex dynamic system"? Every single one of
those words carries so many connotations... I'm not sure how strictly you
are employing them here... as analogy or mathematical proposition, etc..

I would say that although human/computer interaction entails many levels
of feedback, computer causality and human causality possess some very
divergent characteristics of "complexity" and "dynamism" at this point in
evolution... most notably, the ability to self-organize (with all the
attendant implications that carries for information 'storage' and
'retrieval', non-localized yet co-ordinated neural firings, etc.) which
I've always assumed to be a cornerstone of the definition of "complexity",
itself... Although computer applications and architectures currently
exhibit certain restrained "complex" behaviors, I would not go so far as to
label them complex systems *in and of themselves* networks are
a different matter completely... the 'ol "More is Different" adage... Or,
is that what you're suggesting in the first place?

Procrastinating at work,