Re: virus: Re: Future man, immortality

Marek Jedlinski (
Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:36:27 +0200 (MESZ)

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Romana Machado wrote:

> Even today there are a few things that you can do to postpone the
> inevitable. You are not likely to do them if you like the idea of death.

Ok, agreed -- almost. I don't *like* the idea of death, but I am also
too skeptical for the moment to be able to accept even a possibility
of eternal life. (I gave it a few hours of thought recently, thinking
of a post to Virus re "what the world would be like if we stopped
dying", and overpopulation was the least of my problems... I gave up
because the whole concept was overwhelmingly mind-boggling...) I guess
I suspend judgement for now, and remain interested - well, at least
I've dug up a few Transhuman pages on the Web and read a few things.
No, I don't like or enjoy the idea of death. I would support relevant
research, too. It is not my lack of belief in technology that makes me
skeptical, in fact: rather, it seems that the cycle of life and death
is so BASIC to the workings of nature that it just *feels* to me like
a law, like the insurmountable speed of light, or the absolute zero
temperature. But yes, this is a gut feeling, a belief. I have nothing
to show for it.

> Nor will *believing* in
> >immortality inundate you from death, or will it?
> You must be using a definition of the verb "to inundate" that I can't find
> anywhere, which makes your question hard to answer.

Oops, I'm put to shame. (Doubly now because I need to quote the above line.)
I meant "inoculate."

> I have found transhuman
> >thinking quite appealing due to its optimism and "will do" stance; but
> >for now these are dreams.
> There is such a thing as practice - a whole range of actions - from taking
> life extension drugs to signing up for, and supporting research in, cryonic
> suspension.

True; and again -- I do have enough trust in technology (for better or worse)
I just can't see how anyone would bother 'waking up' those who were put
to cryogenic 'sleep' in our times. Well, for initial research maybe, but
on a large scale? Would people be signing any contracts ensuring their
'return' once technology allows?

> > I don't think your words could be understood as a
> >threat, no; but a variation on the infamous FOAD they were.
> I find death-romance quite "anti-human".

So do I, although admittedly death has had some -- well, appeal -- for
various artists throughout the ages. But so has immortality. No,
I don't "like" or think well of death.

BTW, I checked David Krieger's page you mentioned in another post.
It's very politically uncorrect, very hilarious, and very true.
Gotta see it, folks!


If Turing test were administered tonight, I'd fail it.