Re: virus: RE: Abortion (formerly AIDS Meme)

ken sartor (
Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:01:27 -0600

At 03:19 PM 10/29/96 +0000, Hakeeb A. Nandalal wrote:


>> (Maybe men should be allowed a "paper abortion". If they choose to
>> get it, they lose all rights and responsibilities to the child. But
>> they have to get it before the child is born, subject to the
>> same rules that constrain women on getting real abortions. ???)
>> Again, the topic strikes me as very complex and emotionally charged.
>This argument would be valid if the fetus physically occupied the man's
body as well. It has been argued, and I
>agree 100%, that if men could get pregnant, the Congress would pass a
"right to abortion" law in a minute.


>Women aren't breed-cows who have to carry out a function for family
purposes. If a man is so concerned he may
>impregnate a woman and have to pay child support - he should get a much
socially praised vasectomy. No one will
>block him a the clinic, and there won't be any need for a 15-foot clearance
rule from the Supreme Court.

Me i'd rather spend nine months somewhat inconvenienced than spend oodles
of money (and perhaps time) on a child i did not want!

BTW - Where i work, the health insurance does not cover vasectomy,
which i would consider less than socially praised here... In fact,
the doctors are quite careful about granting the procedure. I doubt
a 20 year old man could get one from my urologist.

>BTW, if I formed a church call "Order of the Sacred Seed" and then used my
political power making it illegal
>for men to have vasectomies because it violated my "religious" beliefs,
would you fall in line? Everything is
>relative, you just have to shift your point of view a little bit to expose
well-meaning tyrannical sentiments.

No, but neither would i support a church "Order of the Sacred Egg".
I do not see abortion opponents as having tyrannical sentiments.
If the government was to allow infanticide during the first 13 (i like
odd numbers ;) ) months after birth, would you oppose or support this?

Perhaps some subjects are difficult to come to agreement on? Neither
side dishonest or evil or tyrannical - just disagreeing.