virus: RE: Re: Level 3 Minds and Uncertainty

Hakeeb A. Nandalal (
Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:31:00 +0000

David Leeper wrote :-

> I've posted my respect for Hakeeb in the past, but here I
> can't agree. Statements of this type aren't rational. In
> fact, the ol' "You can only understand my insight when you've
> become as insightful as I" are part of what prompted the Greeks
> to create Logic in the first place.

The Greeks created logic? I always thought it was the Vulcans.

My position is that the "Levels" are elusive at best and even if they existed, the individual can't "choose"
his Level. Richard Brodie has actually defined them not just generally but specifically as 1, 2, & 3. Neither
of us is particularly logically-challenged (formerly politically incorrectly referred to as "stupid") so
what's the problem?

So far we've seen much debate on definitions of the "truth" and whether "Level-3" exists etc. The fact that
numerous clear thinkers can't come to an agreement on a subject, points to its true nature : it lies in the
realm of uncertainty.

If I may be so bold, I would like to suggest that certain subjects can be simply resolved with a simple query
and a simple answer; other subjects cannot be simply resolved and require some debate. Then there are the
heavies, the subjects where passions are aroused and heated debates take place to no avail. Here's my parallel
to the three mind Levels : subjects, memes, concepts, whatever, can be rated, if not resolved, by a degree of
uncertainty : 1 = cut & dried, 2 = can be eventually resolved by debate and 3 = total uncertainty. The only
way to do the rating is by observation of the discussions. This can be elaborated on if this meme sticks.

I think that we can all agree that the people who post here are intelligent (without going into an automatic
cyclic self-examination of that word), and at some time we have to give way to their insight which we are free
to accept or challenge - as long as we learn something in the end.

Keep in mind that subjects which fall into uncertainty level-3 can still be debated, but we should be aware of
what we're dealing with - it should put us in a stronger position logically.

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