Re: virus: MEME UPDATE: To Censor Or Not?

Dave Pape (
Thu, 12 Dec 1996 01:03:46 GMT

At 16:27 11/12/96 -0500, Alexander wrote that Matt wrote:
>> Besides, if there is no free will, then there's no point to existence
>> because everything's already predetermined and we should all just kill
>> ourselves right now. Why not?

And then he went on to write:
>Oh, free will isn't necessary to me feeling a need to survive; as long
>as "I"'m surprised by the next thing down the pike its OK. Note that a
>lack of free will doesn't mean predestination in the least; Brownian
>Motion is completely without free-will, each particle is constrained to
>react in X way to Y variables. It is, however, always surprising to
>watch the jinking and swirling of Brownianly moving particles, at least
>to me.

And so I am about to write:
Erm... except I'd say the Brownian motion WAS all predetermined... it's just
that there's no way we can model a system that complex, so there's no way we
can predict it, so we deal with it by using statistical maths techniques
(allowing us to describe the motion at some abstract level) and heuristic
terms like "random". But I agree: it's still a fcken impressive show.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose (The more things change, the more
it's a meme thing)

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