RE: virus: The Root of All Unhappiness Lies in Yourself.

Schneider John (
Fri, 27 Dec 1996 03:34:16 -0500

Alex wrote:
> > > Nuclear bomb. Harmful or non-harmful? Let's ask the Bikini
> > > Islanders or the ex-inhabitants of Hiroshima.
> >
> > The theory of relativity did not cause us to build a bomb and
> > drop it. The war had nothing to do with the atomic bomb.
> > However, wars have been based on Christianity, communism, and
> > dictatorships, (which were mentioned in the previous post.)
> Without the memes for the construction of nuclear weapons would
> have been impossible. That doesn't keep us out of wars,
> thankfully, but without the tool you can't execute the task.
> Wars have been based on anything and everything.

That is a gross generalization that I disagree with.

> Does this suggest that we should stop thinking and acting
> altogether?

Yes. Either that or become level 3 or something similar.

> [Bumpersticker: Save the Planet! Kill Yourself!]


> > I agree with this; I just don't think the analogy fits perfectly
> > with the above. The usage of a the tool was based on belief in
> > some meme or another. That meme, whatever it is, is the real
> > culprit, not the tool. (e.g. "Guns don't kill people, people
> > kill people.")
> I don't think we can assign culprits at all, aside from the actor
> themselves. Catholicism is also responsible for the Cistine Chapel
> and David. People kill people, religions don't kill people.

Good point. What memes give rise to such fanaticism? Which memes
might help us distinguish between perceived niceties (artwork, etc)
and perceived evils (war), without sounding subjective. Possible?

> > The question would need to be directed at some system 'running
> > on' the net. I stupidly did not consider that setting up such
> > a NNet would be a pretty challenging task, to say the least.
> > (Er, oops!)
> Systems do not `run on' a NNet. NNets encode responses; they're
> not like generalized Turing Systems, they take input and convert
> it to output without `computation.' All they have are sets of
> input neurones and output neurones.

Agreed. "Running on" was just used for lack of a better phrase.

- JPSchneider