Re: virus: Metasystem Transition

Dan Plante (
Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:22:38 -0800

At 02:49 PM 1/31/97 -0800, Tim Rhodes wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Dan Plante wrote:
>> Such nastiness. What did I do, run over your dog, or something?
>Sorry. Your posting caught me in one of my moods. It was the length of
>the posting (some of us must pay to download), not its contents that
>insighted me. Nevertheless, I should not have vented the annoyances of my
>day on you. I apologize.

C'est rien, mon ami.

>> > The critical element in human culture is not knowledge, but
>> >ignorance.
>> The critical thing that exists in human culture is that which does
>> not exist. Gotcha.
>I actually believe this is true. I'm speaking here of motivations. All
>the charged electrons in the world alone won't run your computer. But if
>you provide a place for them to flow into, a place with an absence of
>those electrons, you get electricity. You can do work. I think the same
>is true of ideas/memes. Naive minds are a necessary part of equation in
>transmitting memes. That's what childhood is all about. Memes have
>selected to fit our life cycle. We are born empty and gradually acquire
>more and more memes. At the same time, I grow through teaching just as
>much as being taught. The flow of ideas serves us both. So, yes, I
>believe ignorance is important in human culture.

Ah. I see your point....I just would have couched it in different terms,
being a ruthless reductionist (and as someone who rejoices "vivre la
difference", who am I to argue :-). Yeah, I understand this particular
dynamic in terms of localized non-entropic systems creating a potential
for order and process. I know, it sounds stark and lifeless, but I find
a certain aesthetic in it.

>And I'm sure you believe me of endless import by this definition.

Heh. Glad to see I'm not the only one who doesn't take himself too

>-Prof. Tim

The Metasystem Transition History of the "Dan Plante" System

initial conditions = data (conception)
control of data = information (conception to puberty)
control of information = knowledge (puberty to marriage)
control of knowledge = wisdom (marriage to divorce)