Re: virus: Metasystem Transition

Tim Rhodes (
Sat, 1 Feb 1997 14:46:55 -0800 (PST)

On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Dan Plante wrote:
(all clipped up)

> ...., it becomes apparent that a formal, rigorous
> definiton of a metasystem transition is needed, as well as a self-
> consistent rationale for that definition.

I agree and think that what you have set out so far is fabulous.

> Any thoughts?

I have a few questions.

> Atomic phenomena arise from sub-atomic interactions (the stable isotopes)
> Molecular phenomena arise from atomic interactions (chemistry)
> Self-reproducing structures arise from molecular interactions (life)
> Self-aware structures arise from self-reproducing interactions (mind)

Is self-aware the right term at for this stage? Self reproducing
interactions (life) produce social structures before producing self-aware
structures (unless you wish to grant starfish and red ants

> Memetic structures arise from self-aware interactions (culture)

Or perhaps: Memetic structures arise from social interactions. (culture)

> And....?

Well, this is were I stumble. Is the next step:
* Metasystem transition structures arise from memetic interactions (???)

And if so, is this too self-referential to take us to the next step. What
arises from transition theory interactions? Can we usefully talk about
the next stage using the terminology of the previous stage?

I don't know the answer.

-Prof. Tim