Re: virus: Re: Rationality

Alexander Williams (
Fri, 07 Mar 1997 21:26:21 -0500

Robin Faichney wrote:
> Can't parse "that your memetic emergence does". Ignoring, and
> continuing...

Parse as "they you do" for those who don't accept a `you.'

> What does "true" mean here (or anywhere)? If a meme is very
> ingrained and affects many behaviours, and it's use is not
> generally detrimental in practical terms, why should we worry
> whether it's "true"? Surely what matters is, it's functional.

<Black people are inherently inferior to whites.>

What were you saying about memes without reality backing that are strong
motivators/activators in a given memesphere? Thinking <I'm conscious>
can be almost as destructive in a more abstract sense, because while it
doesn't drive you to physical harm against others, it causes you to
overrate your own memetic importance and downplay observations which
would contradict it.

> >If I write a program that insists
> >that its conscious, how are you going to prove to /it/, not
> >necessarily to an observer but to /it/ that its not?
> If I really don't believe it's conscious, why would I want to
> prove anything to it? This argument would only make sense
> to someone who believed it *was* conscious.

I don't believe /you're/ conscious (nor I, for that matter). Why am I
continuing to parley on the subject with you?

> I do. The 200 line "conversational simulator" I wrote years
> ago will assert that it's conscious, but not even you will
> believe it. And that's the requirement: that it convinces
> someone. And even then, it has only met the requirement
> for the people it convinces. How are you (in what you take
> to be a more plausible case) going to convince the
> sceptics?

How are you going to convince me that you're conscious?

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