Re: virus: Axioms

Tim Rhodes (
Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:21:13 -0800 (PST)

On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Tadeusz Niwinski wrote:

> Tim wrote:
> >Axiom One: Axiomatic systems are limiting and imprecise.
> >Axiom Two: See axiom #1
> Great start. Here is another good axiom to try:
> Axiom W: Words are limiting and imprecise.
> Let's implement it:
> asd dfgdf fgkj klllgf dfhgsdfg dfgf gdfgf uck u ggo
> Fddd aaa ddd bhgjt m,,,\ qwe poi lkjasd .
> The quality of our communication is almost the same :-)

Actually, in spoken form it can be. I've found with children you can
speak utter and total gibberish, but if you inflect it as you would an
interesting tale they will sit in silence, competely fascinated until you
reach the "end" of the story.

I had a party not to long ago at which we played a series of old
surrealist games. Many of the poems and stories that resulted had as much
to say about the nature of truth and the human condition as anything that
has been said here (and that is not to belittle our conversations!)

> Do you think, Tim, your axioms will "do us any good" or "is this just
> pissing in the wind?"

Pissing. Full force, back arched, hair blowing in the wind, pissin'.

And trying to make a point about the limits of axioms. Let me try this

Prime Axiom (aka: Axiom Mundi): This axiom is defined as, and encompasses
all of, human understanding known and yet to be known.

Axiom, the Second (not /really/ an axiom): There are truths that exist in
all axiomatic systems that are true, but cannot be proved true within that
system (see Godel for more info).

Therefore (Axiom three, if you must): Faith is inherent in human
understanding, faith in axioms included.

Better? Remember, Tad, you've doing a fine bit of pissing yourself
lately :-)

-Prof. Tim