Re: virus: Angelica de Meme

Tadeusz Niwinski (
Sat, 06 Apr 1996 02:06:45 -0800

Tim wrote:
>On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Tadeusz Niwinski wrote:
>> Tim wrote:
>> >Can we all conspire to put a capital "M" on memetics?
>> Sounds quite constructive to me. Here is my contribution. Let's clear our
>> assumptions:
>> (1) Do we all believe reality exists?
>> (2) Do we believe we are conscious of this reality?
>> (3) Do we believe we are capable of learning about this reality?
>This is a contribution? "M" for "memetics" not "R" for reality, Tad. I
>get the feeling that if you were around when mankind was first learning
>how to tame fire, you would be the one asking if fire existed independent
>of our understanding of it, while some of us were out gathering kindling.

Why do you have to get personal, Tim, and speculate what I would do? Do you
mind answering the three yes/no questions? I don't understand your analogy
with fire. Do you suggest it is a waste of time to ask such questions?

>Let me rephrase what, I'm sure, you meant to say, Tad:
>(1) Do we all believe memes exist?
>(2) Do we believe we are conscious of these memes?
>(3) Do we believe we are capable of learning about these memes?
>A wonderful start, Tad. Thank you for your contribution.

Thank you Tim. I knew I could count on you.

Can memes exist outside of reality?

What are your answers?

Regards, Tadeusz (Tad) Niwinski from planet TeTa (604) 985-4159