virus: Angelica de Meme

Reed Konsler (
Sun, 13 Apr 1997 18:55:37 -0400 (EDT)

>From: Robin Faichney <>
>Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:53:00 +0100

>Scientists certainly know what
>"conscious" means in the same sense that we all do. But science
>doesn't know what "conscious" means, in the sense that there is no
>scientific account of consciousness. I'd say, in addition, that there
>cannot ever be such an account, because in order to be scientific
>it would have to be objective, while consciousness is intrinsically

I don't agree with the statement:
Consciousness is intrinsically subjective.

Perhaps you could clarify?

Never say never, especially about science. The hunger to
understand is strong.

>In other words, the only memes that can play a part in scientific
>theories are those that have a referent "out there", which the
>"consciousness" meme does not -- the part it plays in our
>memespheres is much more subtle than that.

I don't agree with the statement:
The "consciousness" meme does not have a referent "out there".

Perhaps you could clarify? I think this is related to the sentence


Reed Konsler