Re: virus: Re: Memes and Jello

Mark Hornberger (
Tue, 20 May 1997 04:40:32 -0500 (CDT)

On Mon, 19 May 1997, David McFadzean wrote:

> > From: Mark Hornberger <>
> > Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 1:27 AM
> > I start new threads. Is there anything I dislike about the list? Not
> > really, though I think memetics are taken a bit too seriously by some. Not
> > that memetics isn't a good tool, but it is just that (IMHO). Sometimes I
> I think everyone here realizes that memetics as a worldview is a tool,
> but there is nothing "just" about it. Is the computer "just" a tool? Is the
> internet "just" a new form of media? Are humans "just" another animal?
> You seem to be implying that there is nothing important or special about it.

I wasn't trying to insult memetics or those who dedicate time or thought
to the field. But I think computers *are* just a tool - what is
significant is what we do with them, how we project our creativity or
ability onto the new medium of the internet and whatnot. And we are
another animal, *just* or otherwise. We are sentient and self-aware, but
tend to take ourselves a bit too seriously, IMHO. But again, I meant no
disrespect by what I typed. It is an interesting field.
> > picture a would-be carpenter singing an ode to his hammer, while the other
> > carpenters are wondering when he's going to build the house.
> I don't see much ode-singing going on, just a lot of discussion trying to
> figure out what memetics is and how it can be used. And as for building
> the house, what makes you think we're not?

I wasn't indicting the list as a whole - if I'm right, I did say
'sometimes,' meaning only a few specific posts made me think of this. Was
I saying Memetics are irrelevant or superfluous? No.

Mark Hornberger

> David McFadzean
> Memetic Engineer
> Church of Virus