Re: virus: Religion, Zen, post-structuralism, and the failure of logic

David McFadzean (
Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:45:43 -0600

> From: Eric Boyd <>
> Date: Thursday, June 06, 1996 2:03 PM

> "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do
> not see"
> Hebrews 11:1

Hmm, same word, two distinct concepts.

> > If that's the case then I think Science is Post-Structuralist. Or at least
> > there is such thing as post-structuralist science. It is still possible to
> > practice science, to generate ever more accurate theories, while knowing
> > that no theory can perfectly describe reality.
> Yes, but the very act of deciding that a model /can even be made/ is
> that science views reality as having a "True Structure" to model after.

Yes. Are you suggesting that a model cannot be made?

> Essentially what I saying here is that you don't have to accept science
> on faith. You have to accept that /your eyes/ (and other senses) are
> showing you what's really out there. That peice of faith, plus a lot of
> work, can justify the body of scientific knowledge.

You have to accept that your senses are somehow influenced by
reality. It is not the same thing, and it isn't faith.

> > What terrible things do you think would happen if everyone was
> > reasonable?
> A lot of people whould lose their faith. Bridges and tall buildings
> might become popular places...

You seem to be suggesting that once people became reasonable
they would start committing suicide. I don't get it.
David McFadzean
Memetic Engineer
Church of Virus