Re: virus: Tabacco mind virus.

Tony Hindle (
Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:37:16 +0100

In message <c=US%a=_%p=NCR%l=DAYTONOH/AOHSDCG1/00114A6C@aohsdcg1.daytono>, "Gifford, Nate F" <> writes

>Why would you advocate the above paradigm of heavy drug use and object to
>nicotine? Have you seen how ABSOLUTELY STUPID the heavy drug users of the
>sixties and seventies have become? .... Execept for Tim Leary who seems
>much smarter lately.

Whose advocating heavy drug use? its a joke.

However I do advocate a healthy dose of halucinogens at least
once in a lifetime, these are not heavy drugs, they grow naturally upon
this planet.
But dont do anything unless you want to, just think about who's
interest it is in when you do what you do.
>Don't get me wrong I advocate using drugs at least once in your life. As
>an inoculation against choosing a career in public service. I will
>encourage my son to inhale once ... just so he can never become president,
>join the FBI, CIA, or the Armed Forces.

OOps same joke, sorry. Im listening.

> For the long run though its been
>my experience that I'd rather hang with people who have done drugs rather
>than the ones who are ACTIVELY taking them.

Doesnt this all depend on whether or not you are on the same
things. Fuck me I have just seen a big scary fucking spider on the wall,
I must go and release it into the garden...

...Fuck it, it was never really sentient so it was of no moral
value. And I thwacked it with the bible as well, cool.

> Its been my experience that
>people who are moderate to heavy drug users do so to amplify experiences.
> I can see taking drugs in front of the TV ... but not on a camping trip
>for example.

I thought you were being ironic when I first read this. But I
dont thinkyou were were you? you cunt (I am just going to re-read this
to check) Oh no, your not a cunt I am sorry, you are just someone I
disagree with, its my upbringing, I forget they are not the same thing.

> Yet the moderate to heavy drug users I have known would save
>up drugs just to take them 8 hours out on the trail ... generally just when
>it was time to make camp so they'd be useless once it was time to cook
>dinner. Please note that camping here is the most obvious example of "Bad
>Ideas that Drug Users can have".

Here are ten ideas that are worse if you are on drugs:

1) Play split the Kipper.
2) Cook a piping hot meal
3) Vote republican [* on or off drugs]
4) Play with Daddy'r razor blades
5) Murder a cigarette plc. spokesperson
6) Stert a big long list of things that are a bad idea on drugs.

> My point is that MOST drug users seem to
>put their fix ahead of other's comfort/safety. Examples: passive smoke,
>drunk driving <even below the legal limit>, etc. On the other hand there
>is nothing more boring than spending a weekend in the woods with someone
>who has never done drugs...non drug users seem to obsess on things ... the
>bugs, the dirt, making time, ... whatever.

All fair points.
>Anyway, the place I was going with this is a review of a book: Disco
>Biscuits I read in the latest CMJ magazine: "What all this illustrates,
>essentially, is the totality of dance culture in Europe, where it's
>permeated everyday life to a degree unseen since the '60s. In America,
>it's never moved beyond the underground, and even then only in certain
>urban areas, which makes reading this anthology a particularly, and
>occasionally disturbingly, foreign experience."
>It seems like America's war on drugs has created a meme barrier that we're
>not even aware of. Perhaps Tony or Drakir could comment on the ubiquity of
>acid culture in Europe.

Let me try and put you in the picture we get then maybe you can
help me see the picture you are getting. Here alcohol sales are down by
20 percent ish, thats a good index of changing drug habits. Most of the
new stuff is rave culture which is mainly ecstacy, The media debate has
had the scare stories about instant death and is now moving towards
possible long term brain damage. We had a Femail polotician, Claire
Short pubically advocate a royal comission (our jargon for an
independant inquiry I think) to consider cannabis legalisation as an
option. But she was made to tow the party line and apologise, it is
still a big vote loser.
> Are there references on TV or in print that would
>seem "dangerous" to us in the states. Since I'm writing from the midwest
>its hard for me to judge what's accepted on the coasts ... and since I'm an
>old fart its hard for me to say what those darn kids are thinking.

Same hear, I am judging as an old fart, I am not into the rave
Strangely, I think this is relevant, I recall seeing an episode
of comedy central over here that has politically incorrect with Bill
Mahr. One of the women from the Mamas & Papas among others spoke openly
abpout having taken acid, I wondered at the time whether it was shown in
the U. S.?

> I do
>know that its been a long time since I've thought "Lets get small" was

Context, you have forgotten the context.

Tony Hindle.