Re: virus: Tabacco mind virus.

Drakir (
Wed, 02 Jul 1997 13:53:59 +0100

Tony Hindle wrote:

> > You get the right people doing it, then others
> >are going to follow.
> Hear that any terminally ill lung cancer patients? even he is
> telling you what to do now.

I'm not telling anyone what to do. IF you're dying of lung cancer, it's
your own fault for being so "memetically yielding".

> > Once it enters society, peer pressure takes over.
> >Just because it's bad for you doesn't make them selling it wrong.
> >Tobacco's already in society. IT's not a new product, so restricting
> >the advertising (flashback from a post a while ago) is useless.
> I strongly disagree on this point. (And yet on a deeper level I
> agree). If restricting advertising which is a control strategy in
> memespace is useless then does this imply all memetic engineering
> efforts are useless?

No. If a new product is denied advertising, then it's memes cannot
propogate. But, as we have discussed here at some point, an established
meme is quite hard to kill, and will keep surfacing no matter what you
do. Since tobacco has already reached the state where advertising is
not it's main meme source, banning its advertising would not make much

> > I'd have to disagree.
> >Cigarette packets are plastered with warnings about the dangers, and
> >there are massive campaigns against smoking. I knew it was bad for me,
> >and I still know that it's killing me.
> No you dont.

Yes I do. Every time I go to bed after smoking too much, and wheeze
myself to sleep. I think "Fuck this stuff is killing me..."

> Nobody knows until they are at least diagnosed with
> terminal lung cancer. And even then most people will have dealing
> strategies so that they dont fully realise the enormity of their fate.

Life's a bitch and then you die. I'm not scared of dying.

> >Now put yourself in the position of one of the tobacco giants. People
> >know the stuff is bad for them, and you're severly restricted in your
> >advertising rights anyhow. Does that stop you selling it if people want
> >it? You don't have to do any underhand campaigning to sell your
> >product. It's already on the streets, and society already wants it. So
> >just sit back and keep raking in the money. I'd do it. Shit, I'd
> >probably smoke my own brand too - at least then I wouldn't have to pay
> >for them.
> Same here but I'd be crapping in my pants at the thought of one
> of the brink of death lung cancer patients deciding with not an ounce of
> doubt that it would be one final virtuous act to kill a carefully chosen
> person from Tabacco plc.

So hire body gaurds. You'd be rich enough.

> >> If ciggys killed imedietly they would never
> >> take off.
> >
> >Guns kill immediately (most of the time), and there are shitloads of
> >them.
> No they dont kill until they are pointed and fired.

Are you telling me that ciggys start to kill you before you light them?

> looking foreward to that piss up still.

Definately, mate. We shall have to sort that out.

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