Re: virus: Tabacco mind virus.

Drakir (
Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:19:19 +0100

Tony Hindle wrote:
> In message <>, Drakir <>
> writes
> >> >> This isnt about encouraging people to stop smoking, its about
> >> >> discouraging people to work on behalf of the tabacco mind virus.
> >> >
> >> >If this isn't about people not smoking then what's the point? If you
> >> >don't care whether people stop smoking or not, then why should you care
> >> >that someone's making money out of them smoking?
> >>
> >> Its people starting smoking that is my target area.
> >
> >But if you don't care that they smoke, and you don't care if they quit,
> >why should you care that they start?
> i mean that i cant do anything to help the smokers, nicotine
> addiction is too powerful. But the people who start to smoke do so in a
> memetic culture that is engineered by (paid spokespeople) to maximise
> the smoking uptake. If I can actually engineer a self propogating meme
> that makes the job of the paid spokespeople less atractive (in this case
> more risky) then the pro smoking uptrake memetic engineering project
> will be less effective, less people will take up smoking and a few lives
> will be saved. I just think it would be cool to save a few lives.

Fair enough, I suppose. OK, then start engineering this meme. Why
should people not smoke? I don't think kill the tobacco plc people is
the correct approach to prevention of smoking.

How about forcing children to smoke JPS when they're really young, so
that they're really sick off them, and tend away from it in later life.

> >> Once people
> >> smoke the nicotine does the tabacco giants work for them by keeping
> >> their customers.
> >
> >So in fact it's nicotine's fault, and not the tobacco giants. Surely
> >that absolves them from any kind of blame.
> yes and its not the nicotine its the cancer that kills them etc.

Nicotine's only harmful if you overdose. Tar causes the cancer.

> >> After the first death becomes public knowledge it will catch on
> >> and spread.
> >
> >After it catches and spreads the security goes up, and potential
> >assassins are shot dead by body gaurds. I mean, they're dead already,
> >so what's it matter whether they die from cancer of gunshot wounds.
> Exactly, thats why they make such good assassins.

That's why it would be so easy to kill them all off before they got
anywhere near a tobacco giant.

> Also making
> security etc go up is the whole point, reduce the efficiency of the pro
> smoking memetic campagn.

Increase in security doesn't have to be obvious. After all, how many
tobacco giants do you know of that make regular public appearances?

> >> No not revenge (although I may have been trying to push people's
> >> revenge buttons to encourage them to think about it) its for the greater
> >> good of humankind.
> >
> >Surely Nuclear disarmament and the introduction of more democratic
> >governing systems all over the world are more immediately for the
> >greater good of humankind.
> But there is much less we can do NOW HERE to affect these
> things.

Wrong! If we can engineer the memes for the next generation to move
away from Nuclear arms and into better democracy, then we can do
something NOW HERE about it. In fact, I reckon that we stand more
chance of that than we do of building an anti-smoking meme. After all,
nuclear arms aren't addictive!

> > Stopping the trade in tobacco merely makes
> >massive unemployment.
> Better to do nothing than to work for genicide incorporated.

I disagree, but that's just a personal opinion.

> >> >> I know a tabacco plc bloke and he is really nice.
> >> >
> >> >I'm supprised you think so judging by the rest of this thread.
> >>
> >> Its you Drakir, you are him.
> >
> >Well, then where is all the money?
> I presume you are doing it voluntarily.

Fuck that. I want some money for it.

> >I'm glad you think I'm really nice, though :)
> I also think you are a cunt dont forget.

So I'm a nice cunt? What's it taste of? Smoked Salmon?

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