Re: virus: Re: shaman

Tim Rhodes (
Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:23:10 -0700 (PDT)

On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Wade T.Smith wrote:

> Prof. Tim wrote:
> >Do you have any *evidence* (ain't science grand!?!) to support *your myth*
> >that Shaman don't relate to their patents/clients/employers/charges?
> Well, 'relate' is certainly not what I meant. They 'relate' very well.
> What I meant was, and there is evidence for this, that the shaman does
> not and will not allow the client in on his methods.

Again. You're making unsupported claims, Wade. Saying that there is
evidence is not evidence. I have here in my pocket clear evidence that
alein abductions *are* taking place. Do you believe me? Should I you?

> When did a con man let any of his marks in on the game? The shaman can
> claim 'supernatural' powers and beg off in that way. He is keeping
> 'secrets', that is all I meant.

You're getting your logic backwards again, Wade. Let me show you.

1) Con men don't inform their "marks"
2) Shaman are like con men
3) Therefore Shaman don't inform their "clients"
4) Both con men and Shamans don't inform their "marks/clients"
5) Therefore #2

Whether or not Shaman inform their clients of the nature of their
techniques (and purhaps *why* they may not want to) is still up in the air
in this debate. Until you can prove that they don't, stop using it as its
own proof. You're better than that, Wade!

(And remember, if a Shaman uses an herb to heal and *he* understands it as
restoring the patients Chi energy. Then the Shaman telling the patient,
"This'll get your Chi back in line, you'll be happier" is not subterfuge.
Even if /we/ understand that the herb may be something like St. John's
Wort that has been found to contain naturally occuring seritonin uptake

> No jargon-spouting professional is _unwilling_ to let you in on things,
> given the time, and he would certainly offer to show you where to find
> the information.

Oh great and noble Jargon-Spouting Professionnal! Although I am not
worthy even to lick the blood of freshmen off the underside of your mighty
boots, I beg of you, show me where to find this oft touted but as yet
unseen information you speak of!!!

(Or, yourself, fall silent like the other outdated gods of long gone