Re: virus: Re: Existence

Brett Lane Robertson (
Tue, 09 Sep 1997 12:37:37 -0500


Fuck You! Just because you cannot understand something gives you no right
to belittle it: There is no evidence here that this post is
disordered...much less that my thinking is dosordered, only that you are at
a loss to respond. Please keep your innuendo to yourself or expect cute
retorts like the "Fuck You" above...which is the only proper response to a
"fuck you" innuendo like the "I am at a loss to respond to such disordered
thinking" (below).


At 08:49 AM 9/9/97 -0700, you wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Brett Lane Robertson wrote:

>> I have to speak up here, as this bit of argument makes no sense
>> whatsoever, but several kinds of nonsense. Yes, you can have a brain
>> without mind: a dead brain, or the brain of an animal functioning on a
>> simple enough level that we do not consider them to be conscious
>> (individual results may vary on this latter category). This has nothing
>> to do with the question of whether there can be mind without brain.
>> That's like saying that since I can have a computer but not send email, I
>> can send email without a computer. Non sequitur! The characterization of
>> brain as a product of mind is also bizarre; I would characterize
>> them in the opposite way, with brain producing mind, or, better yet, call
>> them different aspects of one phenomenon. (Carlstrom)

>> Eva,

>> Read what I wrote again. I never said that mind produced brain, only that
>> mind was a process (in parenthesis that brain was a product...not saying a
>> product OF what...). Also, I didn't say that because one can have brain
>> without mind that one can have mind without brain...only that if one can
>> have brain without mind then mind and brain were not dependent on each other.

>> >>Can you have a brain without mind?
>> >> (I'm assuming that you will say yes...which states that neither is
>> >> on the other, mind can exist without brain if brain can exist without
>> >> How? Mind is a process (brain is a product,,,can you have a process
>> >> an end product)!

>> Actually, I never said that there is mind, at all (your email argument
>> implies that there is email somewhere, my mind argument just says that there
>> is a "process" of mind...never that there is a product called mind.) My
>> argument can be restated: can you have frogs without toads (yes) then you
>> can have toads without frogs (yes), the presence of frogs is not dependent
>> on toads (no). What is the process of producing toad-frogs--and can you
>> have the process without producing anything? What is missing is the
>> mind/brain connection--we have a process of mind, we have a product called
>> brain, brain can exist without mind, so what is the process which produces
>> brain (which I'm not too concerned about) or what is the product of mind
>> (the process is the product...the process produces itself).

>> Brett

>I am at a loss to respond to such disordered thinking.


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