Re: virus: MaSturbation and Kant

Tadeusz Niwinski (
Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:47:00 -0700

KMO wrote:
>Kant's point is that nothing other than a good will is good in and of
>itself. Any other characteristic, accurate knowledge and the ability
>for critical thought included, is only good in conjunction with a good

What is "good will" ? Classic MAIDS:

(1) Get a person to believe that nothing matters but X.
Definition of X is vague, so "just take my word" for it's appllication.
{ After all, *I* am an expert philosopher, guru, New Ager, shaman,
Zen master, or Level-3 inventor with MS Flip softawre
{ "In my experience, there is a "flip" that takes place
and you don't go back." -- RB, Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:47:39 -0800 }
etc... It takes at least 10 years (if you don't have MS Flip software)
to get where *I* am,
{ and "if you are in a hurry it will take you 30 years" }
so don't even try it, just take mine and other experts MS Word for it
(Cialdini/Authority principle in action). }

(2) Get the person to trust X rather than one's mind.
{ "What people are trying to do, David, is show you that
the Level-3 mind HAS no fixed position -- just useful models
that may be flipped among at will." -- RB, Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:56:03 -0800 }

(3) Follow ME (or US). "I will tell you what's good".

>As for Kant's belief that lying was always wrong; sure, he had a few
>positions that he would have twisted any moral framework to fit. He
>also thought that one was never justified in rising up against one's
>ruler and that masterbation is worse than murder.

A perfect example, thank you KMO. "Do not trust your mind and even your
*hand*". If it follows your temptations, cut the hand! Or -- at least --
feel guilty and follow, follow, follow. We will tell you what's good for you!

KMO, would you like to try to define "good will" -- the way YOU see it?

>You are not likely to extract more than a small fraction of the meaning
>of the foregoing paragraph on your first reading.

Is this an example of a "good will" towards your opponent?

Regards, Tadeusz (Tad) Niwinski from planet TeTa (604) 985-4159