Re: virus: Re: Social Metaphysics

D.H.Rosdeitcher (
Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:18:01 -0400

Tad wrote:
David R wrote:
>>The Objectivist way of "validating" knowledge makes a clear example of
>>people tend to look to an authority for certainty. In this case the
>>authority is "the senses".

>Yes, Objectivists make the senses an authority (in a sesnse). I think the
>bottom line is our senses, as there is no other way to get inside of us.

In a recent post I explained the difference between using the senses in an
inductive process and using the senses in the scientific process--how in
falsification you use the senses to interpret results of tests, while in
the inductive process you take the senses as a solid foundation from which
to draw conclusions.

>>In Popper's system, which makes the most sense
>>to me right now,

>Shall I claim that post-Objectivists use Popper as authority ?

No, anyone is free to try falsify Popper's ideas.

>>is that you don't use anything to justify what you think,
>>including the senses, since the senses do not always give reliable

>Using nothing to justify your thinking, if I understand you correctly, is
>form ideas like "green rock girl as you 123 twenty"

What I meant by not needing to justify was that you don't need a burden of
proof if someone says, "how do you know?". You admit that you don't really
know. You don't need to justify what you think. However if you see a
counter example that indicates you think wrong, then admit it. And
statements like yours which seem nonsensical, cannot get falsified, since
they don't mean anything.

>>Instead you disprove a theory by trying to knock it down by
>>criticizing or testing.

>How can you disprove the above idea of mine?

You can't disprove it, that's why it's a useless statement.

>>This epistemology, which seems to be the most
>>useful, and is very stimulating, is not the same thing as believing that
>>what other's say matters more than your own judgement, since you are
>>evaluating arguments and results of tests.

>Can you give examples of this useful and stimulating method using some
>from history?

How about if you give me an example of a scientific discovery in which this
method was not used?.
--David R.