RE: virus: Meme, the Underlying Cause

Robin Faichney (
Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:26:41 +0100

> From: Tadeusz Niwinski[]
> >why does the information
> >that living organisms are preserving seem to you to be
> >"more important" than life itself?
> The information stored in DNA survives much, much longer than we do.
To see that as meaning such information is "more important"
than us is to project intention/purpose onto the process. See

> In
> fact genes even kill us in order to evolve (aging and death are
> programmed
> in our genes). The selfish gene is now approaching a new opportunity
> --
> computers and the Web.
Isn't it our memes, rather than our genes, that propagate
via the Internet?

> This may appear to be a much better way of
> replication of information than living organisms. So we may soon
> become
> obsolete, probably not completely, "they" may still need us the same
> way as
> we need mitochondria or bacteria, so we may co-exist quite nicely.
> This is
> why I think a meme may be called the "underlying cause".
All this seems based on the notion that the replicating
information is "more important" than us. If that was
true, then it would explain *why* it should make us
obsolete -- but even then, it would not make that
inevitable. As it is, the "more important" thing is
meaningless, so even the "why" is empty.

> >Or you might like to focus on this more general one: don't
> >most serious modern thinkers disparage the sort of
> >teleology displayed in your "evolutionary project" concept,
> >and the general implication of fate that such writing reeks
> >of?
> You lost me here. Can you explain what you mean?
Teleological: end-oriented, purposeful. Evolution has no
end in mind (because no mind), no purpose, no
intention. To suggest otherwise is to import creator-God-
stuff into science. To suggest that we are "fated" to
to be made obsolete by information propagating via
our artifacts is superstitious nonsense.