RE: virus: MS Weapon

David McFadzean (
Sun, 05 Oct 1997 11:09:28 -0600

At 10:20 AM 10/5/97 +0100, Robin Faichney wrote:

>That's precisely what I'm asking: where did they come
>from? Nothing comes out of nothing. Some of the
>ideas that we now view as simply "wrong" were wrong-
>headed even in their own day, but many more were
>genuinely the best guesses that people could make at
>the time. Do you really think that none of the ideas we
>presently view as simply "right" will be disproven in the
>future? That doesn't make it wrong for us to hold these

No, you're right.

>ideas now, and in fact it may be the case that we could
>not develop better ones, without the use of these
>imperfect ones as stepping stones.


>But even regarding those that ideas that are wrong-
>headed at the time: why do wrong-headed ideas come
>to be widely accepted? Because most people are

I think that is a very interesting line of inquiry,
but it only makes sense in the context of there being
some truth to the matter of whether an idea is
wrong-headed or not. I thought I was still trying
to get consensus on that point before moving on to
the more interesting discussions.

>stupid, or because there are psychological and
>sociological factors here worth investigating?
>*Especially* for memeticists, because the spread of
>memes, their acceptance and onward transmission
>for reasons other than their intrinsic rationality, is
>precisely what memetics is all about, is it not?
>(Well, not quite what it's *all* about, because when
>someone accepts and retransmits an idea saying
>they do so because it's rational, that falls under
>memetics too -- or do you disagree?)

No, I agree.

>> Actually I don't prefer the physical sciences.
>The reason I suggested you might was because
>you seem, in this context anyway, to have no
>interest in minds, and why they do the things
>they do, only in what's "out there".

No, I am definitely interested in minds. I'm just
trying to get agreement that there exists an "out
there" first. (Richard's last message implied that
there wasn't.)

David McFadzean       
Memetic Engineer      
Church of Virus