RE: virus: Re: Social Metaphysics

Richard Brodie (
Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:07:30 -0700

On Wednesday, October 1, 1997 8:05 AM, David McFadzean
[] wrote:
> At 07:53 PM 9/30/97 -0700, Richard Brodie wrote:
> >What if patterns are not inherent properties of reality, but rather
> >we put on reality to approximate parts of it, thereby making it a
> >half-truth?
> If reality has no properties whatsoever, then you would be right. Nothing
> exists without mind and therefore mind creates physical reality.
> So are you claiming that is true? If so, on what basis?

I would say rather that mind maps out physical reality, which has no
inherent properties. All things we call "properties" are labels we put on
the stuff out there.

> I'd like to know how you think you can say anything about objective
> without using the same "smoke and mirrors" you dismiss. Either you have
> believe me or I shouldn't believe you.

You can't! That's the point!

> >People change their faith every day. Just because a miracle would change
> >yours doesn't mean you don't have any.
> You can change your definition of "faith" every day but that doesn't mean
> you're right in any sense of the word.

You've defined faith in a way that makes it very difficult to discuss. In
essence you are saying that faith is stupidly believing false things. I
know that's not how you phrase it, but that's what keeps seeping out. If
you dispute that, give me an example where someone could have faith in
something and it would be neither stupid nor false.

Richard Brodie
Author, VIRUS OF THE MIND: The New Science of the Meme
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