Re: virus: Logic

Brett Lane Robertson (
Tue, 07 Oct 1997 01:20:24 -0500

At 07:34 PM 10/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>David McF wrote:
>>The MS Weapon thread has raised some important questions around the
>>role of logic. Is it "just" a tool? What is its scope and limits?
>It depends on what you mean by "logic"? Is it "rationality", "logical
>thinking" as opposed to "mysticism"?
>You've mentioned "intuition" as another tool. Intuition seems to be a good
>source of inspiration, but the final word belongs to the rational mind --
>unless we decide to abandon it. So, logic *is* -- or *may* be -- applied
>every time we make a decision, every time we interact with reality.
>Someone pointed out that one has to "set goals" without logic. We may be
>talking about different "logic", but I don't see how one can set goals
>*without* logic. I would like to see an example of a situation where
>setting goals without logic is better than with logic. That's why it's
>important to define what we mean by "logic".
>I think logic in the meaning of rationality is the only tool we have. If we
>abandon logic we can just follow our instincts as animals do. They seem to
>be doing fine. Why don't we?... [MS Flip alert! :-)]
>>Do we need means outside of logic to determine when it is appropriate
>>to use it?
>What would those means be?
>>Can a logical argument say anything about reality, or is
>>it (as one contributor put it recently) just "smoke and mirrors"?
>>I have a few ideas, but I'd like to hear from others first.
>How do we learn about reality?
>(1) Our senses and logical thinking.
>(2) Intuition (which is probably a result of unconscious data processing),
>excellent source of inspiration, which has to be tested with experiments and
>logic afterall.
>(3) Random guessing. Creative people have this ability to have wild ideas,
>which may lead to great discoveries. Excellent tool, except, as with
>intuition, logic has to be implemented sooner or later.
>(4) Social metaphysics: what others say reality is. Here come:
> 4a) Religions with a deity used as a supreme source of information;
>except for questioning the deity (and her representatives on Earth), logic
>seems to be welcome in religions.
> 4b) Political leaders may use supremacy of a given race or skin color or
>social class (eg. proletariat) instead of logic, the world view is based on
>this assumption, although in technology logic is used freely (to build
>airplanes for example).
> 4c) Mind-flippers may not like logic for obvious reasons (and they don't
>build planes or anything else for that matter).
>Can anybody think of more reality learning tools?
>Regards, Tadeusz (Tad) Niwinski

5. Incarnation--being the imbodiment of reality

6. Manifestation--right action (mental or otherwise)...beginning with the
basics and slowly progressing in mastery so that every action is a
"manifestation" of reality

7. Ascension--single-mindedly following a path which reveals reality in
incrimental fashion

8. "Descendence" (my own designation)--becoming a part of one's total
reality such that the part is intimately tied to the whole of one's being
yet incarnates a perspective of reality which reorganizes certain aspects of
the whole in a new way

These involve (a) complexity, (b) growth, (c) development, (d) balance, and
(e) conscious action (but may only appear logical when reviewed by the ego
component of self--that is, these are like writing a story with one's life
while logic is more like reading what one has written). Also, through
gestault, revelation, inspiration, divine (or other) intervention, wisdom,
understanding, freedom chance, order, law, foresight, insight, truth, and


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