RE: virus: Re: Social Metaphysics

Richard Brodie (
Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:23:15 -0700

On Tuesday, October 7, 1997 10:40 AM, David McFadzean
[] wrote:
> At 09:46 PM 10/6/97 -0700, Richard Brodie wrote:
> >I hold mutually contradictory positions, so in a way I'm always wrong.
> >I have an extremely fulfilling and enjoyable life. I could not say that
> >when I lived in Level 2.
> That may very well be true, but what are we supposed to infer from your
> anecdotal evidence? That Level 2 causes unenjoyable lives? That Level 3
> is a necessary and sufficient condition for a fulfilling life? Do you
> think it is possible to have an extremely fulfilling and enjoyable life
> in Level 2?

Your questions are confused. Level 2 is a state. If you want to talk about
states causing things, I suppose we can bend our thinking in that way, and
the answer would probably be yes, but it wouldn't be the point of view I
would take.

My book GETTING PAST OK is all about making the transition from Level 2 to
Level 3. To answer your last question honestly, no, I don't think it's
possible to have an extremely fulfilling and enjoyable life in Level 2, but
it is certainly possible to give that impression to other Level-2ers. This
is based on my personal experience with hundreds of people I have worked
with in personal-growth seminars. I don't know how you could create a
scientific experiment to measure quality of life that would satisfy an
arbitrary level of skepticism.

Richard Brodie
Author, VIRUS OF THE MIND: The New Science of the Meme
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