Re: virus: MS Weapon

Sodom (sodom@ma.ultranet.com)
Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:37:53 -0400


Nathaniel Hall wrote:
>
> Richard Brodie wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, October 9, 1997 8:46 PM, Nathaniel Hall
> > [SMTP:natehall@worldnet.att.net] wrote:
> > > Two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen make one molecule of
> > water. Is
> > > this an example of one of those patterns which don't exist?
> >
> > You are confused when you say "don't exist." Patterns are labels,
> > distinction-memes, and they exist in minds. The substance that we
> > approximate by calling it a water molecule certainly exists, but the map is
> > not the territory.
> >
> > Richard Brodie RBrodie@brodietech.com http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie
> > Author, VIRUS OF THE MIND: The New Science of the Meme
> > http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/votm.htm
> > Visit Meme Central: http://www.brodietech.com/rbrodie/meme.htm
>
> A good map will guide you over unfamiliar territory. One may only be a
> symbolic representation of the other but if the territory did not have a
> certain state or "pattern" no map would ever see you on your way. In philosophy
> this is know as the problem of universals. If universals did not in fact exist
> independent of anyone's thoughts , why then does a good map work as well as it
> does?
> The Nateman

nice flip, well, hows this,
Due to the similar nature of our brains, in that we probably have a
similar language, education, and symbol input, A good map conforms to
nearly all of the symbolism that we mutually understand. This can be
demonstrated by giving a map to a child and asking for help reading it.
The child will be completly confused and utterly worthless for help, the
patterns will not exist in the same way they do for you and I.
Now, in between the lines, "if the territory did not have a certain
state or "pattern"". Implying that "state" and "Pattern" are similar is
a nice trick. forzen water is also in a "state", but it is not a pattern
(i expect a response to this one). A "state" is a condition of existence
at a point in time, and everything changes as time expands. In this way
universals are constantly changing except perhaps at a singularity.
A good map works because our symbolism is similar, and, the rate of
change in the univers apears constant to us.

Sodom
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