RE: virus: Nature of Information

Robin Faichney (
Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:36:39 +0100

> From: Dave K-P[]
> At 04:07 PM 10/12/97 +0100, Robin Faichney wrote:
> >patterning is that which allows the compression
> >of information. (Where compression is
> >distinguished from any gain in info carrying
> >capacity provided by other means, such as the
> >use of context.)
> Why limit ourselves to compression? Patterning is also that which
> allows
> the translation of information, too. There may be more, but that was
> the
> first to come to mind.
You can do all kinds of things with patterns, sure. The
point was to define "pattern". Definitions, like theories,
are better if simpler, other things being equal. I
believe the simplest fundamental thing you can say
about patterns is that they allow the compression of
information. Translation is considerably more

> >To make the analogy
> >with the case of sound, those of us who say
> >patterns are "out there" are thinking of them as
> >being like airborne vibrations, while those who
> >say they are only "in here", see them as like
> >subjective sensations. Both, of course, being
> >correct within their own terms of reference.
> >No?
> Of course, its all relative! ;-)
Umm, not sure that helps, actually. ;-)

> P.S. Thought I'd toss in my defintion (slightly technical) of
> information:
> anything that goes from A to B. Open to discussion.
I think what you're getting at here is: an information *flow*
is equivalent to an energy flow, which is in turn equivalent
to causation. Static information is something else. Matter,
actually. (We're talking naturally-occuring info here.)