Re: virus: Faith and Reason

Marie L. Foster (
Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:00:15 -0800

One last attempt to resolve the apparant disagreement. I know that you
guys have chided me on my turning to the dictionary, but I am doing it
again. Do dictionaries have 'the answer'? No, but they do capture the
majority understanding of word meaning.

So the following is copied from WWWebster:

Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: 'fAth
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths /'fAths, sometimes 'fA[th_]z/
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Old French feid, foi, from Latin
fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust --
more at BIDE
Date: 13th century
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's
promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the
traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm
belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction;
especially : a system of religious beliefs
synonym see BELIEF

Can we agree that we all accept the first meaning of faith? Or am I
missing something that is bad about loyalty... I think of myself as a
person who keeps her promises. That is very important to me. Finally I
pride myself on my sincerity. Right or wrong I am sincere :0)

I have no stake in the second definition. I could care less about the
second definition as it simply does not matter to me if you believe in
God or not. You are perfect as you are and I am also perfect as I am.
An hour from now I will be different, but still perfect as will you.

David... you being the owner of this list, how do you vote? Up down on
definition 1? Whatever you decide. If it is down, then I will stop
using the word faith, and use loyalty, etc. instead.

Now if loyalty is wrong thinking... well then I guess I probably am in
the wrong room.