Re: virus: Faith, Logic and Purpose

David McFadzean (
Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:36:53 -0700

At 03:08 PM 11/14/97 -0800, Marie Foster wrote:
>OK... so after all of this it is understood that David defines faith as
>belief in something without proof. This is progress.

No, that's Sodom's definition, not mine. I said faith was belief
without evidence. Another way of putting it is belief without question,
or, more accurately, belief beyond questioning.

I also like Reed's definition:
Faith: A belief which is held to be valid and reasonable, without regard to
it's rationality.

>Just out of curiosity, what would you accept as proof that what we see
>was created in some way? I am not talking about 'creationism'. Life
>from non-living matter, a universe from a singularity seems pretty
>creative to me.

I don't know what you mean by "created" but not "creationism".

>What proof do you have that love exists?

I see plenty of evidence (sappy song lyrics, etc. :-) On the other
hand I don't think love is an object, so in a sense it doesn't exist.
Do states of mind exist? Tough question.

David McFadzean       
Memetic Engineer      
Kumo Software Corp.