RE: virus: Faith, Logic and Purpose

David McFadzean (
Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:45:08 -0700

At 08:26 PM 11/19/97 -0000, Robin Faichney wrote:

>> I have never attacked religion.
>The distinction between attacking faith and
>attacking religion I don't see. I mean, *I*
>don't equate them, but I surely thought you
>did. And it's certain that any Christian

Perhaps I'm not as close-minded as you would like to think :)

I don't see religion as necessarily based on faith or worship
or the supernatural. I see religion as any institution
(organization, meme-complex, superorganism) whose purpose
is to give meaning to the lives of its adherents.

And faith is certainly not confined to religion.

>would take your attacks on faith personally.
>And just a couple of days back you were
>complaining about that fundie minister
>who said you would go to hell for taking the
>name "lucifer" in vain. (!?!)

Because of his faith, not his religion. It was
frustrating only because nothing I could possibly
say could make him change his mind. His beliefs
were completely protected from my influence.

>> >religion with intelligent, educated people, you
>> >need to upgrade your concept of religion.
>> >And I see more of the latter than the former
>> >around here.
>> How is my concept of religion different from what
>> you are saying?
>Umm, I thought you were with Dawkins on this
>one? Religion = faith = memetic virus = evil.

No, religions are meme-complexes and not necessarily
evil. If all memes are memetic viruses, they aren't
necessarily evil either. Actually, when I said that
faith is a sin, I meant that it is a bad idea, not
that it is evil per se. Faith is a bad idea because
it is incompatible with pancritical rationalism.

David McFadzean       
Memetic Engineer      
Church of Virus