virus: FW: Where is thought? (Courtesy Cannon, Inc.)

Robin Faichney (
Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:50:34 -0000

Sorry to those who have already seen this, but it
seemed worth forwarding to virus for those who
aren't also on memetics, especially given the
"context" thing -- David?!

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> From: Ton Maas[]
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 03:52
> To:
> Subject: Re: Where is thought? (Courtesy Cannon, Inc.)
> Bob Grimes thought:
> >Where is Thought?
> >
> >If a thought is on paper, does that thought become more real?
> >Does it then have a life of its own? Why is it that a thought feels
> good
> >to hold,
> >like a document in your hand, or under your arm or even under a pen?
> Does
> >thought
> >improve if it's altered by another human's perspective? Is a thought
> >better if it is
> >shared with many people?
> >Where is thought if it never leaves the thinker?
> >
> >(imageANYWARE(sm) from Canon, The new paradigm for the digital
> workplace.
> What a nice and poetic piece by the old fart ;-)
> >Come on now, which of you folks is secretly working for Canon and
> just
> >using our
> >conversations for ad fodder?
> >Next they will be talking about thoughts on substrates, or...or...
> MEMES or
> >something! Seems like we just had a discussion that the meme never
> leaves the
> >person, just the seed of it in some type of symbology.... They think
> one
> >can "print
> >thoughts," Ton! Next they will want to "store them."
> Did you just think out loud or was it my imagination? (And where would
> *that* be?).
> PS. Last night I had an amazing phone call from one of my intellectual
> masters - Anthony Wilden from Simon Frazer in BC, a former student of
> Bateson's and formerly known as "Wild Tony Wilden" - author of
> extremely
> challenging works such as "System & Structure - Essays in
> Communication and
> Exchange", "Man & Woman, War & Peace" and "The Rules Are No Game" (one
> of
> my al-time favourite titles!). Many years ago I had written him a
> letter,
> inviting him on the editorial board of an international
> interdisciplinary
> magazine to be ("ID Preview") - which unfortunately never
> materialized.
> Anyway, last night my letter surfaced in a stack somewhere in Wilden's
> study and he decided to give me a call to say "yes". We ended up
> having an
> extremely animated half-hour conversation, in which he recommended a
> few
> books and expressed his anger at Simon Fascist U. and the Canadian
> intellectual climate at large. (He once wrote an *extremely* unpopular
> book
> called "The Imaginary Canadian" (published - quite appropriately - by
> Pulp
> Press), in which he analyzed Canadians as the product of a horribly
> authoritarian top-down hierarchy which extended all the way down from
> British Royalty to Canadian subordinates. His main claim to fame is a
> very
> elegant system he calls "context theory" - which elborates the central
> notion of "both-and" (as opposite to "either/or"). Tired of fighting
> wars
> with educational management, he's reorganizing his life and actively
> looking for fellow-travellers. He's in the business of setting up his
> first
> home computer system and will probably appear on-line in the very near
> future. I for one, are *really* looking forward to his input to our
> conversation, of which I naturally made him aware!
> Kind regards,
> Ton
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