Re: virus: Saints

Sodom (
Wed, 03 Dec 1997 12:29:30 -0500

Marie Foster wrote:

> Sure... I will compile a list and the reasons for them to be
> considered. However, I remind you that atheists can be as dogmatic and
> close minded as the most ardent fundamentalist of any religious
> persuasion.
> I also do not want to start up the debate again, but no one can prove
> that there is not some kind of god - greater power than us - whatever
> you want to call it.
> Your experience leads you to reject this idea. Fine. Mine is entirely
> different. What proof do you have that there is no *greater power than
> us*? Just how big do you think we are? Our entire universe may just be
> a lab experiment in some kind of college somewhere... Give it a break.
> Look, when it was proved that the earth was not the center of the
> universe, minds had to change. The atheist can become stuck in their
> blindness just as bad as a theist. If you can not see how that may be
> so, then I pity you... Since you are throwing the pity around...
> Gosh... I think this is the first time I have really gotten angry even
> though I have been close a few times.
> Marie

I am not suggesting that Atheists like myself cannot be dogmatic,
closemind people. But I would not pick an atheist that we agreed was
dogmatic or close minded either.

The argument that because we can't prove something doesn't exist, is
really old. For that matter, there is no evidence that Zues isin't in
charge, or Hara, or Tiamat or any number of god;s for that matter. My
argument is that we know which human's said they did, and since these
people, all of them, had not even the slightest clue as to physics. They
did not know why the grass was green, leaves blowed in the wind, or why
the sky was blue. To use this people as a source of divine inspiration
makes me question the sanity of people.

I by no means think that we are the greatest power, I never suggested we
were, but there is no evidence that there is more. I SUSPECT that in
this Universe, there are intelligences so far beyond ours as to make us
look like plankton, relatively speaking. But i do not know this, and
therefor, there is no reason to bow down to it in worship (faith).

Atheists can become stuck in blindness, but generally, dont. I say this
as my own example. I have thought many things, but EVERY TIME there is
more evidence against my idea, than for my idea, I switch. I make no
emotional attachment with the concepts that I hold.

This is the first time I have seen you angry, but remember, no proof, no
support. Thats all there is to it.