Re: virus: God

Marie Foster (
Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:33:06 -0800

Sodom wrote:
> Marie Foster wrote:
> > I see miracles everywhere. The mostbasic is my heart beat and my
> > respiration. Thus the 65 and 14. (I am
> > in pretty good shape in that department for 51...)
> >
> > So we do agree that a baby is a miracle of sorts. Perhaps this is the
> >
> > disapointment of the *true* atheist. Their expectation is too high.
> > I
> > recently suggested to Bill (Sodom) that he might find the "Grand
> > Inquisitor" an interesting read. He did read it and told me he found
> > it
> > most interesting.
> >
> > One of the major questions it raises is how would mankind be affected
> > if
> > there was no possibility of doubt about the existance of god. If you
> > did have that cup of god to put under a microscope and in your study
> > you
> > did find out that the stuff you had was proof positive... How would
> > this knowledge change us as a species?
> >
> > Interesting question I think...
> >
> > Marie
> I don't see miracles as they pertain the "god" in the things you
> mention. I do see a sense of "wonder" in the things you mention though.I
> see wonder in any complex happening whether it is the furnace of our
> Sun, the motion of our galaxy, the flapping of a butterfly's wings. It
> is not hard for me to see wonder in something even if I understand it
> well. The two do not conflict.
> I thought your last statement was intriguing. For me, I am afraid that
> even if "god" filled the sky with a bright light, spoke to me in my
> mind, then split the pacific ocean in half for the whole world to see, I
> would still think it was a hoax, or that aliens did it, or that I was
> totally bonkers. I think proof positive for me could only come after my
> death, to find an afterlife, or rebirth, would be most convincing. But
> for the sake of argument, if we could find a proof that we could accept,
> I would convert to what Ii assumed was the wishes of this entity, or go
> utterly insane. If there was a very specific, sentient God, than the
> concepts taught by such a God would be of the highest import. This is
> why I "fear" religion. I feel that any real believer should follow God's
> orders - even if the orders support genocide and oppression as the Bible
> does - if they are to be true to themselves and true to their "god". My
> problem is that people are accepting the concept of "god" for all the
> wrong reasons - brainwashing from childhood, fear of death, lust for
> power, inability to comprehend happenings around them, or because their
> emotions demand it.
> Sodom

Bill if you fear religion then why are you here? I thought the whole
idea of CoV was to create a new religion... Am I the only one to see
the irony here?