RE: virus: Fwd: Need I say anythin

Gifford, Nate F (giffon@SDCPOS3B.DAYTONOH.ncr.com)
Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:19:05 -0500


I'm not sure if this came up in the group before or not. Wade argued
against the efficacy of subliminal techniques, but agreed there might be
something to embedded subtext. Its gray in my mind as to when subtext
becomes subliminal suggestion. I certainly agree that the idea of "hidden
persuaders" is bullshit ... but I think it would be overly sanguine to deny
the efficacy of hidden agendas/subtext in advertising .... i.e. Joe Kamel,
Kars, Klothes, etc..

If you want to get Herr Brodie to be more specific about subtext and
subliminal suggestion I'll get out of your way ... but in the meantime ...
based on my limited experience ... I believe seduction.com is one of the
best examples of overt memetic engineering I've ever seen.

On a side note its been my feeling that sex as a driving force for
technology has always been underrated. Examples: Photography, Home Movies,
VCRs, 900 numbers, CD-Roms, Computer Bulletin Boards, the Internet....so why
not memetics?

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From: Lena Rotenberg[SMTP:lenar@hermesnet.net]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:08 AM
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: RE: virus: Fwd: Need I say anythin

On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Gifford, Nate F wrote:

> I think seduction.com is a great example of the power and danger
of memes.
> The meme it propagates is getting laid is the same as getting
lucky ... and
> it offers algorithms for hooking classes of women's belief systems
in order
> to get laid. My problem with the page is that its a
self-reinforcing system
> for producing slimeballs. I think Brodie is absolutely right to
spread the
> word on the system as a means of innoculation.

There is a big difference between slimeball techniques and
subliminal
techniques. That the former might produce results doesn't mean
they are
the latter, as Brodie claimed.

lena

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Lena Rotenberg
lenar@hermesnet.net