Re: Truth (was Re: virus: Language)

Sodom (sodom@ma.ultranet.com)
Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:57:07 -0500

Nice try, but still insufficient. I would say that mathematics is our way of
describing, as accurately as we have been able to, the way the Universe
appears to function, but the "map is not the landscape" Mathematics and
science are not the Universe, they are tools devised by subjective creatures
incapable of not being subjective. I do hold science and math as the best
tools yet devised, but certainly not absolute. Think of it this way

less likely <-gods exist----------I exist-------water is "wet"------Universe
exists--> more likely

but no "real" object or time ever actually is at either end of this scale. I
would like it to be otherwise, but so far, havn't seen it. AS you follow into
quantum mathematics, it gets even worse.

Sodom
Ask not for whom the flourescent lights hum

Bob Hartwig wrote:

> Sodom,
>
> A claim is true if it can be independently, rigorously, repeatedly
> verified. If there were no claims of this nature, science and mathematics
> could not exist. Therefore, I hold science and mathematics as evidence
> that there is "truth".
>
> At 01:35 PM 3/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Out of curiosity, what would lead you to the idea that there is "truth"?
> >
> >Sodom
> >
> >Keith Elis wrote:
> >
> >> Why do you think there is no truth? Or do you mean there is no truth
> >> that is recognizable by consciousness?
> >>
> >> Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >