Re: virus: Bequest

Sodom (sodom@ma.ultranet.com)
Fri, 22 May 1998 09:42:39 -0400


I too am VERY fond of the freedom meme, I think that so far, as you describe it, it
may be my favorite. I also like your descripion of it, and its similarity to the
anarchy meme, which is basically the freedom meme, minus the limitation of affecting
the freedom of others. I also think that Capitalism and Democracy are preferable to
most other systems so far exhibited (that come from the freedom meme), but show very
serious flaws. In a democracy, it is too easy and common for small majority to
oppress any minority. And Capitalism, though it has been very beneficial for me,
leads to a type of human abuse that I do not like either. I would love to see a
democracy that needs a 80% or so vote to make any law and a 30% or so to remove any
law. I would liuke to see capitalism in which its main beneficiaries saw life as
more important than profit. Then those two systems would be acceptable to me.

Also, could you define "Godelianly" for me? I honestly dont know what that means.

Sodom
Bill Roh

Joe E. Dees wrote:

> > Subject: virus: Bequest
> > Date: Thu, 21 May 98 18:11:35 -0400
> > From: "Wade T. Smith" <morbius@channel1.com>
> > To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> > Reply-to: virus@lucifer.com
>
> > >So the meme you are worried about is not anti-butchery, or
> > >anti-communist, it is the [we-are-the-chosen-people] meme - [insert
> > cult/country/religion]
> > >are right, all others are by default, wrong. Thats the best thing about being
> > an
> > >[insert cult/country/religion], you are always on the morally correct side -
> > YES!
> >
> > Yes?
> >
> > And, Bill, you _really_ should be living in Cambridge....
> >
> > ;-)
> > The nice thing about a "freedom meme" is its anti-dogmatic, almost
> scientfically non-judgmental, morally/ethically neutral character.
> It doesn't prescribe what you must do with your freedom or proscribe
> what you mustn't do with it (this is tautologically the nature of
> freedom, by definition), it merely states that each individual should
> have all freedoms that do not interfere with the same freedoms
> exercised by anyone else, and where the inevitable conflicts occur,
> they should be resolved by equal and proportional compromise. It
> wears no altruistic blinders, however; the reason it is embraced is
> the benefit it grants immediately to the individual, and only
> subsequently (and mediately) to the society. It is a formal meme,
> with negligible content, and is well suited to permeate the
> emergently self-conscious, recursive psyche, which is programmed to
> transcend its programming; in other words, programmed for freedom. I
> am not worried about the freedom meme - I LIKE it, and the
> evolutionarily creative diversity of thought and action it fosters.
> It tolerates everything - except intolerance, and makes everyone
> slaves - to their own free wills and choices (though it insists on
> personal responsibility for their consequences, which is fine with
> me). Like a free market and laissez-faire economics, it is a
> synthesis of existentialism and ethical egotism, and works best
> (though not perfectly, or even perfectibly - the nature of
> open-ended, recursive systems is to be Godelianly imperfect and
> incomplete) hand-in-glove with participatory democracy.
> >
> > *****************
> > Wade T. Smith
> > morbius@channel1.com | "There ain't nothin' you
> > wade_smith@harvard.edu | shouldn't do to a god."
> > morbius@cyberwarped.com |
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> >