Re: virus: Hail Virus!

JakePrime@aol.com
Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:21:09 EDT


In a message dated 98-06-12 10:58:26 EDT, you write:

>>> Therefore, cognitive abilities like spatial and verbal ones (without any
> doubt also racial-determined) should imply nation-specific religion (which
> I'll call 'Level 1 religion'). <<<

Without any doubt??

I might be susceptible to believing that this might be culturally determined,
but race is a genetic concept, and a false one as well I think. I find
concepts of race constantly stumbling when it come down to identifying
discreet races. I think racists make the error of confounding biological with
cultural. None of the efforts that I have seen to establish criteria of
discretion between races have been identical or even similar. It leads me to
suspect that these efforts are generally driven by cultural agendas.

I understand that there are some very recent genetic studies that have
compared the genetic proximities of humans around the globe. The results of
them are nothing like traditional racial distinctions, and I haven't heard any
traditional racists embracing them. I suspect it may be because these results
and distinctions do not support their cultural agendas. I understand that the
authors of "The Bell Curve", use rather traditional racial distinctions.

My understanding of these genetic studies was that the common ancestors of all
humans studied was far more recent than originally thought. All of what I
have said so far is based on my general understandings, so if anyone is more
familiar about these things I would be interested and open to listen. It is
entirely possible that I may be reflecting more of a cultural agenda myself as
opposed to the reality of the situation.

On the other hand, I do think we overlook potentially valuable understandings
by not exploring genetic elements of intelligence. Certainly these
characteristics are differentially spread throughout the population. Not all
individuals could be similarly endowed and in the same way.

What I expect, however, is that these differentials will not have much to do
with traditional notions of race. Traditional racial notions originally
served the purposes of superorganisms. Superorganisms on the level of nations
that you describe, are based on culture not genes. For the superorganism
genetics is involved only in the most superficial, obvious, and unimportant
manners which have little or nothing to do with mental abilities (like skin
color, hair texture, and the like), and often have little to due with actual
genetic proximity.

The largest superorganisms that I could imagine remotely following genetic
lines would be the clan/tribe. That is only possible through geneology, an
inexact memetic tool to determine genetic lineage. "Inexact" is an
understatement however. There historically has been no way to gain certainty
about paternity this way. There is no way to know how many paternal genes
have evaded the cultural barriers of tribes and clans.

I am still interested to hear about those L2-4 religions and how they are
distinguished.

-Jake