> Well, you have to ask yourself is our only senses what we see, hear, smell,
> taste, and touch? Or is there other ways of finding truth?
Oh boy, out of the fat and into the fire. Those five senses you speak of are the
only ones I mostly trust. I know of no others. Personal revelation is simply the
mind putting information together. We have all had "dawnings of enlightenment"
but only the very stupid consider them absolutes.
> We have
> determined
> that personal revelation is a sort of sixth sense.
> >From an early age, all Mormons are urged to read the Book of Mormon and
> determine for themselves if they BELIEVE it is true.
A young mind does not have that choice. When you are surrounded by believers you
are forced to believe. The concept of "choice" does not exist here. Peer
pressure alone would turn adults, when your parents are telling you something,
it might as well be hardwritten in the brain.
> They are asked to pray
> about it AND get an answer!!! I know you will never do it but if you would
> just
> read the Book of Mormon cover to cover and then go back to Moroni 10:4 and
> do as it says you will find out for yourself the truth.
Actually I will do it, i am a voracious reader.
>
>
> If you've ever cracked open a Book of Mormon you will find the testimony of
> the three witnesses and other witness accounts. Do eye witnesses have
> any weight when determining truth?
They have very little weight - it has been demonstrated over and over that
people see what they want to see. There are dozens of studies to suggest so.
Yes, the witness concept, though effective in the dark ages, are not good
sources anymore.
Sodom
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sodom <Sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
> To: virus@lucifer.com <virus@lucifer.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: virus: Virus: Opinions?
>
> >Actually, there is more to it than that. It is about "why" you believe.
> >The question is to me: Is there just cause to believe that the book of
> >Mormon is true? For me, belief is never an issue, just a continuuing
> >scale of more likely less likely. Are you a believing Mormon because the
> >evidence lends itself to that conclusion based upon objective,
> >observable facts - or - Have you been told the same thing your entire
> >life, and is it now so hard wired into your brain that you have no
> >choice but to believe, and couldn't leave the church no matter how badly
> >you wanted. This would make you an unknowing slave of makebelieve. If
> >you are willing to stand upon proven fraud, and claim it's reality, then
> >almost everything you do and say is subject to the "religious filter" I
> >have set up in my head. Everything you say will need to be pruned of
> >failed logic first before I can actuially consider what you are saying.
> >I would rather not have to do that as I do with most of society.
> >
> >Sodom
> >P.S. If it makes you feel any better, ill bet there were not any
> >Atheists participationg in the Mormon bashing when you were young, we
> >usually find more appropiate places for religious objection.
> >
> >Johnny Rea wrote:
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: C.A. Cook <coreycook12@email.msn.com>
> >> To: virus@lucifer.com <virus@lucifer.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 1:03 AM
> >> Subject: Re: virus: Virus: Opinions?
> >>
> >> Sorry, dude. It is literature. Some people say is is more,
> >> others less. THAT doesn't make it more or less.
> >>
> >> CA Cook, LF
> >> coreycook12@email.msn.com
> >>
> >> PS I hope you don't get offended. All too many of the
> >> religious fundies that wander in here stomp out in a
> >> snit. Just try to keep your head on straight, and be
> >> friendly. Or not. Whatever you want.
> >>
> >> I am not offended in the least. I would like to know how you came
> >> to the conclusion that the Book of Mormon is a work of literature,
> >> though. Or you saying that Joseph Smith made up the Book of Mormon
> >> as a work of fiction? If that is what you are saying then I can only
> >> tell you that is not what Mormons believe and we can move on.
> >
> >
> >
> >