>If there is an objective reality (and I agree that evidence suggests
there
>is), then no-one has direct access to it. All we experience is
subjective
>reality. Real knowledge consistently describes objective reality, but
it
>is never more than a model and shouldn't be equated to reality.
How true! But the acknowledgement that there is an objective reality,
however unknowable, certainly affects the thinking person's quest for
knowledge, much as the acknowledgement that there is an objective
morality, however unknowable (related thread), affects the thinking
person's actions. It may just be a matter of how much we are looking
"out there" versus "in here", I don't know.
Love,
Ian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David McFadzean [SMTP:david@lucifer.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 7:47 AM
> To: virus@lucifer.com; virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re: virus: Memetic Engineering
>
> At 08:19 PM 8/4/98 -0600, Nathaniel Hall wrote:
>
> >>From what I know of his level 3, believing in mutually exclusive
> memes
> >simultaneously, I rather just peak at level two. I'm of that
> >unenlightened view that reality is objective, and that real knowledge
> >consists of knowing what really is out there.
>
> If there is an objective reality (and I agree that evidence suggests
> there
> is), then no-one has direct access to it. All we experience is
> subjective
> reality. Real knowledge consistently describes objective reality, but
> it
> is never more than a model and shouldn't be equated to reality.
>
> As for mutually exclusive memes, isn't possible that both these
> statements
> may be true?
>
> Humans are animals.
> Humans are not animals.
>
> Doesn't it depend on context and interpretation?
> --
> David McFadzean david@lucifer.com
> Memetic Engineer http://www.lucifer.com/~david/
> Church of Virus http://www.lucifer.com/virus/