>David Rosdeitcher wrote:
>> This is what I've been talking about, that there is a definite
meme-plex
>> found in systems like the CoV. (unlike what Prof.Tim tries to imply).
Even
>> arguments within this system lead to conclusions that are characteristic
of
>> the system and not outside of it.
>Maybe I am a bit simple, but isn't this the only possible scenario? I dont
>remember ever hearing an argument that was outside of the "system" in
which it
>exists. Isn't that the nature of all type of thought, expression, logic.
>What I would like to see, so that I may understand you better, is an
example
>somewhere that I can examine. Something outside of the sales pitch
"thinking
>outside the box" (which only means they started thinking in a really tiny
box).
>There is somthing I am missing, an experience or an idea, or a concept
that
>keeps me from seeing the CoV system as really any different from any other
>system. Are there systems in effect that are not limited by their own
>definition?
Not that I know of. The "More virian propositions" and "David's Top 10"
threads started when I claimed that memetics was part of a meme-complex
(the metameme) which is an all-encompassing belief system, and that people
into memetics would adopt a similar beleif system and look at various
issues from a similar perspective. Tim R. claimed that for me to try to
make an all-encompassing belief system out of memetics was just a way of
unnecessarily putting myself inside a mental prison and he suggested that
it's possible to live in a land without walls. Maybe he's right, but I
haven't seen a good argument for it, yet. --David R.