Re: virus: If you're watchin' IT ya' ain't a part of IT (was: David's top 10 (here and now))

Joe E. Dees (jdees0@students.uwf.edu)
Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:43:06 -0500


Date sent: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:20:48 -0400
From: Bill Roh <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: If you're watchin' IT ya' ain't a part of IT (was: David's top 10 (here and now))
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> Joe E. Dees wrote: But Bill, our genetic makeup and environmental (developmental)
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> > influences have caused us all to be wired, though similarly, not the
> > same (Peter ain't Paul). The hardware and software are individual
> > to each person, and possess individual differences. Furthermore,
> > this structure is dynamic, not static, and changes throughout life,
> > partially due to aging as that is genetically manifested, and partially
> > due to the effects of each new experience upon the brain. The
> > physical substrate of subjective experience is in each case unique
> > to the individual and his/her existing situation; thus how can anyone
> > maintain that the experiences themselves are not themselves equally
> > unique?
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> I am not suggesting that they are ot unique, I am suggesting that they are mush more alike than not alike. A good
> example for me would be musical instruments. All acoustical instruments, no matter how well tuned or made, sound a
> little different. No two Pianos sound the same, an upright and grand sound quite different from one another, but the
> basics are still the same, and the sound is always identifiable. Even two coins minted together are not exactly alike.
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> Humans are the same, my neurotransmitters work the same as yours, usually for similar reasons, I am build pretty close
> to the same as you or anyone else. My experiences and such are different not because I am physically that much
> different, but because my time and location are always different than anyone else's. My feeling that are outside of my
> control - love, jealousy, possessiveness, joy, fear, have similar triggers as every other person on the planet, men more
> so than women. Studies regarding the "smile" for instance, show that it is universal in humanity, along with
> reproduction, territorial males, and more things than I can think of.
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> a few statements to clarify:
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> Each person is unique among people, but in the whole of things, we are interchangeable and similar in every way
> Being similar in nature does not "devalue" existence/experience or pleasure from life - its just an observation.
> There is simply an amount of variation in humanity that either functions, or does not - if not, Tim's Nazi pals, take
> care of it for us. If so, they are probably not all that different from us.
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> Bill Roh
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But it is also true that neither one of us knows what the other's
experience of the color red or the sound of middle C are. We only
know that they refer to the same things because we can point to
them for each other in a common world. They are certain
frequencies scientifically; experiential qualia are horses of a
different choler.