I do agree that absolute verification that we see the same thing is not possible with my current understanding.
Bill Roh
Joe E. Dees wrote:
> Date sent: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:20:48 -0400
> From: Bill Roh <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re: virus: If you're watchin' IT ya' ain't a part of IT (was: David's top 10 (here and now))
> Send reply to: virus@lucifer.com
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> >
> >
> > Joe E. Dees wrote: But Bill, our genetic makeup and environmental (developmental)
> >
> > > influences have caused us all to be wired, though similarly, not the
> > > same (Peter ain't Paul). The hardware and software are individual
> > > to each person, and possess individual differences. Furthermore,
> > > this structure is dynamic, not static, and changes throughout life,
> > > partially due to aging as that is genetically manifested, and partially
> > > due to the effects of each new experience upon the brain. The
> > > physical substrate of subjective experience is in each case unique
> > > to the individual and his/her existing situation; thus how can anyone
> > > maintain that the experiences themselves are not themselves equally
> > > unique?
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not suggesting that they are ot unique, I am suggesting that they are mush more alike than not alike. A good
> > example for me would be musical instruments. All acoustical instruments, no matter how well tuned or made, sound a
> > little different. No two Pianos sound the same, an upright and grand sound quite different from one another, but the
> > basics are still the same, and the sound is always identifiable. Even two coins minted together are not exactly alike.
> >
> > Humans are the same, my neurotransmitters work the same as yours, usually for similar reasons, I am build pretty close
> > to the same as you or anyone else. My experiences and such are different not because I am physically that much
> > different, but because my time and location are always different than anyone else's. My feeling that are outside of my
> > control - love, jealousy, possessiveness, joy, fear, have similar triggers as every other person on the planet, men more
> > so than women. Studies regarding the "smile" for instance, show that it is universal in humanity, along with
> > reproduction, territorial males, and more things than I can think of.
> >
> > a few statements to clarify:
> >
> > Each person is unique among people, but in the whole of things, we are interchangeable and similar in every way
> > Being similar in nature does not "devalue" existence/experience or pleasure from life - its just an observation.
> > There is simply an amount of variation in humanity that either functions, or does not - if not, Tim's Nazi pals, take
> > care of it for us. If so, they are probably not all that different from us.
> >
> > Bill Roh
> >
> But it is also true that neither one of us knows what the other's
> experience of the color red or the sound of middle C are. We only
> know that they refer to the same things because we can point to
> them for each other in a common world. They are certain
> frequencies scientifically; experiential qualia are horses of a
> different choler.